My nephew works for the London Ambulance service and tells me every shift is fraught and stretched. He was working the night of the London Bridge attacks and ended up working way after his shift with no reimbursement. Don't blame the people that work in the service they are doing their best under extreme conditions. Blame the politicians.
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NHS....................................don't get me started! Go on a ward and they seem busy but plenty of staff spend the day waiting around and doing basically nothing...............and still get 9 and a half weeks holiday a year, like my wife's brother. Much of the day is spent going through procedures like handing a patient on to the next stage. That's why ambulances don't drop patients off at A and E and go collect someone else. They can literally spend hours doing nothing whilst the handover is accomplished. It's a bottomless pit which needs rebuilding from the ground up. BTW wages are the biggest expense, not buildings or equipment.
Plenty of ambulances and staff. Just a crappy, typical public sector system is at fault.
Plenty of ambulances and staff. Just a crappy, typical public sector system is at fault.
From what I can tell they get over ã5000 for every tax payer in the country which is over ã2000 for every man women and child so if there still under funded there is something wrong, I don't know enough to say what though.
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One of the first things trotted out,Ahhhhhhhhhh the ageing population,that's an easy excuse to roll out:nono:
As already stated elswhere on here,too many time wasters clogging up the system.
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https://www.england.nhs.uk/2014/04/simon-stevens-speech/
'Trotted out' by such no-nothing idiots as the head of the NHS.
I'm not denying your claim that there are people in the hospital system who shouldn't be but a) that doesn't invalidate my point, b) that doesn't have to be the only thing to blame and c) 'time wasters' in hospital are often there because they can't get treated by their GP, we had a thread on this a couple of days ago. Such people are failed by the system just as much as the old lady you helped.
By the way, that was really good of you, far too many people would have ignored her and left others to help, please take that sincerely because I mean it sincerely.
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Just think how little you can get for ã2000 though.
People choose to have a ceasarean instead of a natural birth. Ceasareans cost approx ã2000 without complications.
Aldo how many people live unhealthy lives and expect the NHS to solve their self inflicted problems. Life is about balance but how many people drink to excess regularly and expect NHS to pump their stomach, eat terrible foods and then demand gastric bands...
So ã120bn per annum isn't enough?
How much more money do you think the NHS requires?
Some would have you believe the sky's the limit. "Lets chuck yet more money at it " is the mantra.
How about the alternative of managing what they do get in a more efficient way?
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I actually wasn't blaming the crews.They can only respond to what they have been given to respond to! What i did object to and another person who spoke to the call centre was the 'bordering on rude' inability to listen,whilst just talking over every word spoken and refusal to confirm that an ambulance was actually activated. B####y over 15 minutes of wasted time.
The system is the problem.More chiefs than indians for starters:twisted:
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You mean like running a phone triage for 999 calls?
The serious point here is that there is not enough money to provide the level of service people expect. The OP is evidence of that. The solution is likely to be a combination of more money, more efficient use of money and a change in the level of service people expect.
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You can't afford to live a healthy lifestyle. Not when the NHS is calling for sporting injuries to be paid for by those trying to keep healthy!
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There's a hell of a lot of "Bud Lite" being talked on this thread by the eternal caped crusaders who think every NHS employee would be magically more efficient with a kick up the bahooky. How about some hard facts and figures? http://www.commonwealthfund.org/interactives/2017/july/mirror-mirror/ - Exhibit 5 shows the NHS is the most efficient of all the tested first-world healthcare systems. It also has some of the worst outcomes: hardly surprising when you see how little is spent on it as a percentage of GDP.
You want better? - then pay more. Or succumb to your fantasy of lazy staff being overwhelmed by illegal immigrants. The Nash will still be there when you need it.
You want better? - then pay more. Or succumb to your fantasy of lazy staff being overwhelmed by illegal immigrants. The Nash will still be there when you need it.
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I don't think anyone was kicking any 'employee' or were they! More likely too many cooks!.
The system is at fault,however keep slinging pound notes at it aint the answer,not the whole answer anyway.
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The reason it's so hard identifying the problem with the NHS is that it's not one problem, but rather many.
Certainly many parts of the NHS are indeed underfunded. Our local hospital for example the medical wards are massively underfunded, under-equipped and understaffed. When I was in a couple of years back I had to be put on a drip to prevent dehydration, and a syringe driver pumping insulin into me. The drip bag started out hanging from the curtain rail over my bed, and the syringe driver was sat on my bedside cabinet.... At one point I didn't even have a pillow (this was when I finally got a bed to need a pillow, rather than where I started out in a space where a bed usually goes....), they rolled a blanket up and put it into a pillow case... I know this is hard to believe, so I'll attach the pics I took on the sly... The same hospital just built a massive new A&E department, and has a lovely heart and lung center with all of the equipment they could ever want.. Oh look, bad management is kinda suggested there eh? Pour the cash into the "fashionable" departments, starve the less fashionable "god's waiting room" wards (I used to be a nurse, that's literally the nickname for medical wards as they tend to be filled with the elderly, who often never get to leave in life). They had the same problem with staffing, they're all understaffed there (with health care support workers performing tasks that at one time would have been a big no no...), but the staff on medical just had zero motivation, and in some cases seemed to not know their jobs very well (like the staff nurse who insisted I had pudding after my lunch, and told me peaches would be good... I was in there as I'd developed type 2 diabetes very rapidly and extremely as high blood sugars caused my pancreas to temporarily shut down...).
I have to be honest, what I see is a system increasingly top heavy, with people who know nothing about healthcare calling the shots. By the time the managers, consultants and surgeons have been given their slice of pie, there's not much left for front line care. Too many very expensive bosses (probably thanks to this idea that the NHS should be run as a business, rather than as a service...).
But heh, I'm just a very left leaning socialist ex-nurse, who thinks that it's all quite deliberate so it can be sold off and privatised, as is the Tory way. :lol:
Certainly many parts of the NHS are indeed underfunded. Our local hospital for example the medical wards are massively underfunded, under-equipped and understaffed. When I was in a couple of years back I had to be put on a drip to prevent dehydration, and a syringe driver pumping insulin into me. The drip bag started out hanging from the curtain rail over my bed, and the syringe driver was sat on my bedside cabinet.... At one point I didn't even have a pillow (this was when I finally got a bed to need a pillow, rather than where I started out in a space where a bed usually goes....), they rolled a blanket up and put it into a pillow case... I know this is hard to believe, so I'll attach the pics I took on the sly... The same hospital just built a massive new A&E department, and has a lovely heart and lung center with all of the equipment they could ever want.. Oh look, bad management is kinda suggested there eh? Pour the cash into the "fashionable" departments, starve the less fashionable "god's waiting room" wards (I used to be a nurse, that's literally the nickname for medical wards as they tend to be filled with the elderly, who often never get to leave in life). They had the same problem with staffing, they're all understaffed there (with health care support workers performing tasks that at one time would have been a big no no...), but the staff on medical just had zero motivation, and in some cases seemed to not know their jobs very well (like the staff nurse who insisted I had pudding after my lunch, and told me peaches would be good... I was in there as I'd developed type 2 diabetes very rapidly and extremely as high blood sugars caused my pancreas to temporarily shut down...).
I have to be honest, what I see is a system increasingly top heavy, with people who know nothing about healthcare calling the shots. By the time the managers, consultants and surgeons have been given their slice of pie, there's not much left for front line care. Too many very expensive bosses (probably thanks to this idea that the NHS should be run as a business, rather than as a service...).
But heh, I'm just a very left leaning socialist ex-nurse, who thinks that it's all quite deliberate so it can be sold off and privatised, as is the Tory way. :lol:
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Thanks for following up. That article is about immigration not illegal immigration. When I tried to find an illegal immigration estimate, I think Migration Watchââ¬â¢s website said it wasnââ¬â¢t impossible to estimate.
ONS say much the same thing. There was a government advisory figure of 150,000 but it's all finger in the air stuff. The fact is that nobody knows -which is worrying to say the least.
