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Old 07-12-2017, 11:45 AM   #41
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Capitalism is basically natural order, trading goods and services mostly for cash.
The forced alternative unfortunately has a history of purges, poverty and mass starvation of millions.
You appear to be confusing socialism with Stalinist dictatorships. The two are not the same, or even vaguely similar.
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:25 PM   #42
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I think I would look at Norway as a good indicator of what a socialist society can look like. There are going to be problems in every system, the key is to keep the problems to a minimum. The closer peoples opportunities are to being equal, the better off the system is. Its once the extremes become apparent...( America for example) that things really begin to fall apart.
Neither Norway or any other country in Scandanavia are socialist. They do not nationalise their means of production. They are just higher tax, bigger state capitalist countries.
I think when compared to most countries in the world, America and Americans on average are doing very well.
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Old 07-12-2017, 04:47 PM   #43
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Norway is a capitalist country with huge oil reserves and massive tax that pays for its citizens to get healthcare in Sweden as there system isn't up to the job.
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The Scandinavian countries tend to be liberal democracies with well-developed welfare policies and well-funded public services. Not socialist at all.

I do hate it when people conflate liberalism and socialism.
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Old 07-12-2017, 05:39 PM   #45
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Capitalism is basically natural order, trading goods and services mostly for cash.
The forced alternative unfortunately has a history of purges, poverty and mass starvation of millions.
Capitalism hasn't that history then?
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Old 07-12-2017, 06:06 PM   #46
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Did anyone see that experiment that some person did on the New York underground. He put up a peg board and pinned some dollar notes to it.
Underneath he placed a sign saying "Take what you need, give what you can"
After x amount hours there was more money than when the experiment started.
This is how life should be.
Im sure its on Youtube somewhere.
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Old 07-12-2017, 07:07 PM   #47
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Communism is evil
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Old 07-12-2017, 08:08 PM   #48
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Communism is evil
....as is unfettered capitalism. I doubt anyone on here is advocating either.
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Old 07-12-2017, 08:26 PM   #49
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............... When there were more than enough people a damn sight poorer in Venezuala than in the U.S..
Oh dear! Another knee-jerk reaction that isn't backed up by the facts.

The total population of Venezuela is 32.15 million whereas, according to a 2015 census (carried out by the US Government's Census Bureau), there are 43.1 million Americans living below the poverty line; which equates 13.5% of the population.

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http://www.worldometers.info/world-p...la-population/
https://poverty.ucdavis.edu/faq/what...-united-states
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Neither Norway or any other country in Scandanavia are socialist. .................
Boy, you are really on a roll.

"The cabinet of Stefan Löfven is the present Government of Sweden. It is a coalition cabinet consisting of two parties: the Social Democrats and the Green Party. The cabinet was installed on 3 October 2014, following the 2014 general election."

I think you will find that:

A) Sweden is part of "Scandinavia".

B) The Social Democrats are "Socialists". (The clue is in the name!)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Löfven_Cabinet

(Sorry, but I didn't bother looking anywhere else.)

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You may find this link interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Due to his initials, Clement Attlee (the leader of the Labour Party when they nationalised many of the public utilities and instigated the NHS) is the first person on the Notable Social Democrats list. Enjoy!
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