Mosaic brew

samnorfolk · May 5, 2016

So ive finally got a massive boiler, burner etc and i want to do a mosaic brew.

Ive got some fuggles @ 8 aa (leaf)
and some mosaic @ 11.5 (pellets)

Some crystal and MO

any receipe ideas?

Hops_and_Dreams · May 5, 2016

How much of everything have you got? I wouldn't combine Mosaic and fuggles if it was me. Mosaic works as a single hop brew.

IainM · May 5, 2016

@CreweBrewer has a Maris Otter Mosic SMaSH recipe. I just got the ingredients for it yesterday.

samnorfolk · May 5, 2016

Hops_and_Dreams said:
How much of everything have you got? I wouldn't combine Mosaic and fuggles if it was me. Mosaic works as a single hop brew.

ive got 100grm of mosaic, kilos of MO and 500grm crystal

samnorfolk · May 5, 2016

samnorfolk said:
ive got 100grm of mosaic, kilos of MO and 500grm crystal

and 500 grm torrefied wheat

sponge_ · May 5, 2016

90% MO
7% wheat
3% xtal

1.050 - 65'C sach rest

Mosaic @ whirlpool to 35IBUs
Dry hop with remaining mosaic.

1469/1272/1450 - whatever your favourite APA yeast is.

Save the fuggles for a rainy day.

Hoppyland · May 6, 2016

Fuggles & Mosaic? Yep, definitely - it's a mix I have tried (with Citra & Amarillo) with success.
But.... Get yourself a really clean, bittering hop (Warrior?)
You'll only need about 20g for a 25l brew - if you don't chill, then 15g is plenty. Use this for bittering - you won't waste your aroma hops.
How malty & how strong do you want your beer?
Try 4300g M Otter & 500g Crystal in your mash.
Boil wort for 60 mins with the Warrior, add 100g Fuggles at flameout. Keep the Fuggles in there for at least an hour (overnight, for me with my no-chill method). Ferment in a primary FV for 5-7 days. Krausen should have died down a lot after this. Only at this stage add your Mosaic, as dry hops. How much do like like a hoppy aroma? If a lot, add at least 66g Mosaic. 100g is getting really serious!
Well, that's what I'd do - many other ways to go about it!!! :)

JapanBrew · May 6, 2016

That's why they call him hoppyland!!! Haha.

sponge_ · May 6, 2016

Mosaic definitely works with English hops, but if it's first time using Mosaic (or any hop) nothing beats a good old single hop brew to really get a feel for what that hop can bring to the table.

Personally, I wouldn't be adding 5g/L of fuggles at flameout as I don't think it has the characteristics to be so aggressively hopped late, but as per all things brewing, it comes down to personal tastes and preferences. Styrians at 5g/L in an ESB though.. :drunk:

Mosaic is a lot like citra, where you can throw a huge amount at a beer and it always turns out delicious. There's a large amount of hop varieties where this isn't the case though.

samnorfolk · May 6, 2016

sponge_ said:
90% MO
7% wheat
3% xtal

1.050 - 65'C sach rest

Mosaic @ whirlpool to 35IBUs
Dry hop with remaining mosaic.

1469/1272/1450 - whatever your favourite APA yeast is.

Save the fuggles for a rainy day.

By whirlpool do you mean when its boiling?

sponge_ · May 6, 2016

Whirlpool as in once you've finished boiling, let sit for a few minutes then when you give it a stir/pump to get the whirlpool action throw the hops in.

See here for a little info on whirlpooling.

JapanBrew · May 6, 2016

Whirlpooling works better than a bazooka. Just give it a real good stir and go wash up other items. When you come back, all the trub is right in the middle. It's super convenient.

samnorfolk · May 6, 2016

Would this work?
4.3kg MO
300g Crystal
100g Torrefied wheat

16g Mosaic @ 60 mins 11.5 aa pellet
16g Mosaic @ 20 mins 11.5 aa pellet
Then a dry hop of say 60 grams for 4 days?

Hoppyland · May 6, 2016

samnorfolk said:
Would this work?
4.3kg MO
300g Crystal
100g Torrefied wheat

16g Mosaic @ 60 mins 11.5 aa pellet
16g Mosaic @ 20 mins 11.5 aa pellet
Then a dry hop of say 60 grams for 4 days?

Yep it would work. But most things would!
I would say, don't boil Mosaic for 60 mins. You'll drive off most of the lovely, complex volatiles. Don't even boil them for 20 mins!
For your 60 min (bittering) hops use something well high alpha acid (Warrior for me - but otherwise Magnum??)

JapanBrew · May 6, 2016

Hoppyland is right. Find hops you love for taste and aroma and use them for flame out and dry hopping. Get some cheaper high alpha hops for bittering. At 60 minutes, you get no taste or aroma.

samnorfolk · May 9, 2016

JapanBrew said:
Hoppyland is right. Find hops you love for taste and aroma and use them for flame out and dry hopping. Get some cheaper high alpha hops for bittering. At 60 minutes, you get no taste or aroma.

Ah ok, i have got loads of fuggles and some admiral to use up

samnorfolk · May 9, 2016

Also, how many grams should i dry hop with??

JapanBrew · May 9, 2016

Is that like a 15 liter batch? If it's a full 23 liters, might be a tad low on grain.
Dry hop with 60 grams would be fine but again, what batch size? If it's a 23 liter, maybe more into 80. Just my input.

sponge_ · May 10, 2016

For dry hop rates, it depends what you're looking for.

Low: 0.5-2g/L
Med: 2-5g/L
High: 5-10g/L

samnorfolk · May 10, 2016

JapanBrew said:
Is that like a 15 liter batch? If it's a full 23 liters, might be a tad low on grain.
Dry hop with 60 grams would be fine but again, what batch size? If it's a 23 liter, maybe more into 80. Just my input.

It was a 23 litre batch, i got an OG of 1044 so hoping it will go down to 1010-12 so get about 4%. i think the hoppy aroma so ill got with the higher amount :thumb:

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