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Old 24-10-2017, 04:29 PM   #21
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Tastes to me like it is every kit or extract brew,
Is that just LME, or DME as well? I don't think I've tasted it in DME/spraymalt brews and tend to stick with them nowadays.
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Old 24-10-2017, 04:36 PM   #22
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I think it's an oxidation thing that affects LME proportionally to how old it is.

The twang that we all speak of tastes like sherry to me.
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Old 24-10-2017, 05:00 PM   #23
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Is that just LME, or DME as well? I don't think I've tasted it in DME/spraymalt brews and tend to stick with them nowadays.
Yes I think just LME, I drank some DME starter last week and there was no twang.
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I am surprised noone has blamed it on Brexit or Donald Trump yet. They are always the most likely suspects.
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Yes I think just LME, I drank some DME starter last week and there was no twang.
In that case it points to either LME goes stale and DME doesn't or its down to the metal tins LME comes in. Unless someone has another idea.
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Old 24-10-2017, 05:27 PM   #26
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Is that just LME, or DME as well? I don't think I've tasted it in DME/spraymalt brews and tend to stick with them nowadays.
For a few years now, I've been attending monthly meetings of two homebrew clubs, and as a result taste around 15-20 homebrewed beers each month, from brewers of differing abilities, some using kits, LME, DME and all grain. I find that there is taste that is there in all but all grain, a flavour that identifies extract, be it Kit, LME, DME. A dull, stale, possibly slightly metallic flavour. That to me is Twang. Sometimes subtle, other times I think it is accentuated by other faults such as acetaldehyde or sherry like oxidised flavours, which maybe what some brewers associate as twang. Not sure why one would be better than the other as the difference between DME and LME production is that, DME is LME that has been centrifuged. As with all brewing ingredients, poor storage conditions won't help.

Interestingly, one club when it started around 2 years ago was predominantly kit and extract brewers, but now at at a point where nearly everyone has made the switch to AG, except for one member who would love to but can't due to time and other commitments. The reason that they made the change isn't because they want the brewday to last longer.
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For a few years now, I've been attending monthly meetings of two homebrew clubs, and as a result taste around 15-20 homebrewed beers each month, from brewers of differing abilities, some using kits, LME, DME and all grain. I find that there is taste that is there in all but all grain, a flavour that identifies extract, be it Kit, LME, DME. A dull, stale, possibly slightly metallic flavour. That to me is Twang. Sometimes subtle, other times I think it is accentuated by other faults such as acetaldehyde or sherry like oxidised flavours, which maybe what some brewers associate as twang. Not sure why one would be better than the other as the difference between DME and LME production is that, DME is LME that has been centrifuged. As with all brewing ingredients, poor storage conditions won't help.

Interestingly, one club when it started around 2 years ago was predominantly kit and extract brewers, but now at at a point where nearly everyone has made the switch to AG, except for one member who would love to but can't due to time and other commitments. The reason that they made the change isn't because they want the brewday to last longer.
Do you think there is much/any/significant difference between LME & DME?
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I have only used either to brew with once, both after i'd done 40 or so AG brews, and didn't find one better than the other. Both made perfectly acceptable beers, although clearly extract brews. I couldn't pick based on other brews I've drank, it does appear a very random issue when twang becomes very obvious.

I appears that in this thread that there is more trust in DME, yet i've read on US sites that LME makes better extract beers, and the maltmiller fresh wort kits sounded like they were a step ahead in quality.
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This article makes some good points and one here puts the twang blame on stale LME.
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