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Old 26-11-2017, 02:54 PM   #1
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Default 4th brew- Wilkos dark velvet stout

Gonna get this on today, equipment is sterilising as we speak.

I've got myself two tins of black treacle and already have a load of various brown sugars, so I'm thinking I'll brew it short to 20l with two 545g tins of treacle and c.500g of dark brown sugar. I'm not sure if that amount of treacle will give it too much of a liquorice flavour, though. I know it's a fairly common hack, so if anyone has any advice they can give before I get this on I'd appreciate it left it a bit late, I know.
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Old 26-11-2017, 03:23 PM   #2
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Gonna get this on today, equipment is sterilising as we speak.

I've got myself two tins of black treacle and already have a load of various brown sugars, so I'm thinking I'll brew it short to 20l with two tins of treacle and c.500g of dark brown sugar. I'm not sure if that amount of treacle will give it too much of a liquorice flavour, though. I know it's a fairly common hack, so if anyone has any advice they can give before I get this on I'd appreciate it left it a bit late, I know.
My advice is, do not use all that black treacle quantity or it will probably completely dominate your stout, perhaps even spoil it! It is a very strong unique taste, try a spoonful and see what I mean.
Look through the Coopers stout kit and Wilko stout kit reviews and see what others have used for black treacle quantities and what people think of using it
http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/sh...ad.php?t=61597
I use dark muscavado sugar in my stouts, since this has some of the flavour of black treacle, and I only use up to 120g and that's enough for me.
And I also suggest you use some additional malt rather than all sugar based adjuncts, especially since the Wilko kit can is only 1.5kg.
If its any help I use one 1.7kg Coopers stout kit can, 500g dark DME, 500g golden syrup, 120g dark muscavado sugar, and four shots of coffee (not instant) and brew to 19litres
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Thanks for your advice Terry, and that list is very handy. I've eaten black treacle before, hence my concern! It's too late to go out and get more malt now, unfortunately, but I think I'll cut back on the treacle
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You could consider brewing even shorter say, 15 litres, with kit can, 500g 'sugar', plus black treacle to suit your palate. That way you keep the malt quantity up.
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I made this kit about 3 years ago. I brewed it short to 20 litres and added 1 small tin of Lyle's black treacle which I think was 454g. This was far too much for my taste as the treacle overpowered everything else. It was awful for about 9 months but then started to mellow. I drank the last bottle after 2 years and it was pretty good by then!
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Remember treacle is burnt sugar. It tastes horrible in large amounts. I used 1/2 a tin once and threw it away. Undrinkable. Have also done the same with molasses. If you really want to add something you could make some dark candi sugar.
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as all above,hook back on that treacle
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Right, thanks all. Went with the one tin of treacle, brewed it short to 20l. Added around 500g of dark soft sugar and then tested the gravity. It was at 28c so it would be reading lower, but it was reading just 1026 (1030 with a properly calibrated hydrometer, mine is out by 4), so I threw in about 250g of of light brown sugar too. That got it up to 1030 (1034). Then the damn thing wouldn't cool below 25c, so I lost patience and pitched at that temp. It'll cool down soon enough.

Anyway, I've been getting really into my porters over the last couple of months, so I'm excited to see how this turns out!
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Right, thanks all. Went with the one tin of treacle, brewed it short to 20l. Added around 500g of dark soft sugar and then tested the gravity. It was at 28c so it would be reading lower, but it was reading just 1026 (1030 with a properly calibrated hydrometer, mine is out by 4), so I threw in about 250g of of light brown sugar too. That got it up to 1030 (1034). Then the damn thing wouldn't cool below 25c, so I lost patience and pitched at that temp. It'll cool down soon enough.

Anyway, I've been getting really into my porters over the last couple of months, so I'm excited to see how this turns out!
Still far too much with just one tin of treacle from experience, you may like its overpowering after taste though
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My last coopers stout, 12 months ago is now nice, but has taken 12 month to get rid of the burnt taste. 1 whole tin , never again.
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