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Old 01-12-2017, 10:41 AM   #1
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I really like malt heavy beers, I'm not a bitter/hop heavy fan.

Everything I've read suggests that I'd like barley wine. Has anyone done one? Is there a kit you can recommend?

Any kits you done and additions that you can recommend?

I'm not particularly fussed about it being strong (ABV), just malty.

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Barley wine is, by definition, a very strong beer. If you want something malt forward then perhaps a Scottish brew or a mild would be good. Geordie do both as kits, though I haven't tried them.
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I've got a wee heavy bubbling away!

I'd like to try as many different types as I can.
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Look up the Brewferm kits. They need long time conditioning to smooth out but any time after 4 months they are all lovely. Christmas especially and you will start to see offers on them soon.
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I like barleywines but find them quite hard to pull off, mostly due to impatience. They need long conditioning times, 6 - 12 months, and what I find I get wrong is the bittering hop addition. Because they are so malt heavy, there does need to be a big bittering addition to balance out the flavours, and I have always gone easy on this meaning the barleywines I've made are rich and quite sweet, and usually have alcohol flavours which are a bit too strong. I think that latter bit is down to too warm fermentation temps though.

When I want malt I usually have a german pils/helles or a stout.
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I like barleywines but find them quite hard to pull off, mostly due to impatience. They need long conditioning times, 6 - 12 months, and what I find I get wrong is the bittering hop addition. Because they are so malt heavy, there does need to be a big bittering addition to balance out the flavours, and I have always gone easy on this meaning the barleywines I've made are rich and quite sweet, and usually have alcohol flavours which are a bit too strong. I think that latter bit is down to too warm fermentation temps though.

When I want malt I usually have a german pils/helles or a stout.
Exactly how mine come out, sweet without enough bite to balance them out.
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Thanks for the advice. I'll have a look at Brewferm.

I've seen a couple from youngs/muntons. I've never used these suppliers - do you have thoughts about them in general?
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I like barleywines but find them quite hard to pull off, mostly due to impatience. They need long conditioning times, 6 - 12 months, and what I find I get wrong is the bittering hop addition. Because they are so malt heavy, there does need to be a big bittering addition to balance out the flavours, and I have always gone easy on this meaning the barleywines I've made are rich and quite sweet, and usually have alcohol flavours which are a bit too strong. I think that latter bit is down to too warm fermentation temps though.

When I want malt I usually have a german pils/helles or a stout.
I'm not familiar with helles - could you tell me more about which kit/extract recipe you prefer? I'm a big malt lover and want to get a good variety of things I can make.

Thanks!
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I'm not familiar with helles - could you tell me more about which kit/extract recipe you prefer? I'm a big malt lover and want to get a good variety of things I can make.

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Helles is a German lager. It was originally invented to compete with Pilsners. Although malt forward its fully attenuated and designed to showcase the base malts rather than hops
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I'm not familiar with helles - could you tell me more about which kit/extract recipe you prefer? I'm a big malt lover and want to get a good variety of things I can make.

Thanks!
As @MyQul says, it's a German style lager very similar to pilsner. In my experience there is very little difference between the two, I think helles is supposed to be more malt based. I really like Augustiner Helles, which is available Beerhawk and probably other online beer shops.

I don't use kits but have some all grain recipes. If this is useful I'll copy and paste some.

I'd recommend looking into some other German styles which are malt based, like dopplebock, bock, marzen/oktoberfest, maibock etc.
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