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Old 03-12-2017, 12:32 PM   #1
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So, as my quest for the perfect electric boiler progresses... I've been careful to make sure that the rest of my brewery equipment is suitable for a 40L brew. I don't actually intend on doing a 40L brew.. but I thought when buying things, why not make sure there's room for expansion, and pay the extra little bit now... over buying again in the future.

I did this originally with my kettle pot, I have a 70L kettle pot... it's just a nightmare in the winter as I have to use it outside. In the summer, it'll be great! Chilling outside, making a nice beer and drinking cold ones. But in the winter I struggle to get a boil on 30+L with a 7KW Gas Burner! Just too cold and windy outside.

This coupled with the fact that all of the stock electric boilers, (Brupac, Burco, Buffalo etc) just seem too small! I'm not saying that I need a 50L electric boil kettle (although that would be nice)... I can save my big brews for the summer and do them on the pot.

But the Keggle's seem really sturdy and really good quality! And I've seen loads of people have converted them to electric. This seems like a great idea. But... I am useless with DIY! I have barely any tools! I work in IT!! The only thing I'm good with in my hands is a keyboard (well..... haha, you know what I mean). So... does anywhere sell pre converted keggles? I would even consider paying a company to fabricate me something if needed... Happy to pay a little more, and get what I want... rather than keep buying things which aren't suitable.

BTW, anyone know what the volume of a keggle is? They look pretty big.. but maybe I'm missing that they're only 30L themselves lol.
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Old 03-12-2017, 01:07 PM   #2
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Have a look at this, great source of info https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...Ne9up5meuNoSNv
Have you considered induction? I get an excellent boil off in winter only boiling 32l using my buffalo induction and a cheap pot. My buffalo 40l boiler also works easily so wonder why your burner is not up to it.
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That looks like an interesting site.. thanks, I'll take a read.

I don't get a roaring flame out of my 7KW Burner, and that's with a 13kg Calor Gas bottle, so it's getting plenty of juice. It takes about 2 hours to get 35L of water to an almost boil. I never actually get a rolling boil (well I say that, I probably would if I left it all day!) - Let's just say there's NO chance of a boil over.

I can get the wort to about 99-101c.. which because of the sugar content, doesn't mean an aggressive or even rolling boil. I'm sure it'll be okay in the summer. But it's tough at the moment for sure.

I've not considered induction. By that do you mean an induction pot and hob? Don't you have to have a special pot for that? Or am I confusing what you mean for something else?
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http://www.theelectricbrewery.com/gallery

I think I've just seen what heaven looks like!
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I've found that malt-miller have Keggles for £100.. but they're not modded for electric.

I'm really pants at DIY and if I try to fit elements, I'll likely blow myself up and/or the house! Really hoping there's a place I can buy one of these per-modded. Failing that, I might have to buy the one from malt-miller and then pay someone to mod it for me.

Anyone have any thoughts?
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I can hear people screaming at their computer screens... "Just make it yourself you fool!"

So maybe I'll have a go.

This is the keg I found: https://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/inde...productId=2461

Then I saw this element: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aiicioo-Rip...eating+element

This element looks easier to fit, because the hole is round!

Anyone have any thoughts?
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Hi!
Why not convert your 70 litre pot rather than splash a ton on a keggle?
You can get a 4.5 kW element on Amazon for a tenner - one should be enough. If you want more power fit a secondary element at a couple of kilowatts.
If you are kack-handed at DIY there's bound to be a member close to you willing to lend a hand.
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Well... there's something I didn't consider! That's not a bad thought.

I happened to just see another threat, and go really excited to see this:

https://www.the-home-brew-shop.co.uk...ic-Boiler.html

But this is essentially what I've already got.

I like the idea of converting the one I have already. It wasn't cheap so it'd be a shame to see if go to waste.

Are the elements hard to fit?

If there are any members near Devon with experience of this, it'd be great (and worth several beers) to get some advice.
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I have the brupaks plastic boiler I purchased from a member here, which unfortunately got trashed by over-enthusiastic couriers. But the element is only 2kW. Probably won't be enough for a 70L pot. Which is a shame.. maybe it would work out well as a secondary.

This 5.5kW as a primary would do the trick?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aiicioo-Rip...eating+element

Which element would you recommend for the main element? I think I can handle drilling a round hole, but certainly not those funky shaped ones for the washing machine element!! I'm like Frank Spencer!

Do you know if they need any kind of temp control? Or do you just wire them up directly to the mains and flick the power off when it gets too hot? Or plug it into an inkbird and just the temp probe?
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I'm no electrician, but I'm pretty sure you cant attach a 5.5kw element to a 3 pin plug and put it in a standard socket? I had an electrician put in a dedicated supply for my kettle. I use 2 x 2.5kw elements in my home made boiler.
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