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Old 05-12-2017, 09:25 AM   #1
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Hi Brewers ..

Up until now Iv'e been using Brewers Oxyclean as a cleaner and StarSan as
a sanitiser ...

Whenever I go to buy a new CLEANER I just get confused..

What does everyone use, for plastics?

Some people appear to ONLY use StarSan and not use a cleaner first?

Any advice would be useful...

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Star san is NOT a cleaner you need to somehow clean your kit before sanitising with it.

Now you dont HAVE to use a cleaning product as long as you can get to every nook and cranny with a soft cloth, warm water and elbow grease.

Your regime sounds good. Oxi-clean before (I always rinse this off and if in doubt give things a quick rub with a new j-clothe) to clean, then star san to santise.
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I either just use (Really) hot water for cleaning and some elbow grease, or a bigger dose of Chemipro OXI as I find it agitates any stubborn grubby bits, I then also use Chemipro OXI as my sanitiser,

It's what I've always used due to the water around here, but I have just picked up some StarSan cheap to try in some bottled water.
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I either just use (Really) hot water for cleaning and some elbow grease, or a bigger dose of Chemipro OXI as I find it agitates any stubborn grubby bits, I then also use Chemipro OXI as my sanitiser,

It's what I've always used due to the water around here, but I have just picked up some StarSan cheap to try in some bottled water.
You can use star san with hard water. I have hard water and the diluted star san immedietly goes cloudy. Is still works fine. As long as you keep the ph <3. The hardness of the water possibly might mean you need a little more undiluted star san to initially get it below 3PH (I test mine with ph strips from ebay which you can get loads for a pound)
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For anyone interested I've come across this sanitiser available from a wholesalers local to me and at £4.50 for 5 litres it's an absolute bargain.30 second contact,foodsafe,no rinse and diluted at 1/30.

Food Safe Sanitiser
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An odourless food safe cleaner suitable for use on most hard surfaces. It is effective against most common forms of bacteria including MRSA, making it ideal for use in kitchens, food preparation areas, hospitals and nursing homes. Complies with BSEN1276.

For general purpose cleaning, dilute 1 part product with 30 parts of water. Spray or wipe solution onto the surface, allow few seconds to react and wipe clean with a damp cloth, no need to rinse. Food Safe Sanitiser may be used to clean and disinfect a variety of hard surfaces including tables, worktops, sinks, draining boards, cupboard fronts, external equipment surfaces, walls and floors. Always clean vertical surfaces from the bottom up to avoid unsightly streaking.

http://www.greyland.co.uk/product/food-safe-sanitiser/
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For anyone interested I've come across this sanitiser available from a wholesalers local to me and at �£4.50 for 5 litres it's an absolute bargain.30 second contact,foodsafe,no rinse and diluted at 1/30.

Food Safe Sanitiser
5L
An odourless food safe cleaner suitable for use on most hard surfaces. It is effective against most common forms of bacteria including MRSA, making it ideal for use in kitchens, food preparation areas, hospitals and nursing homes. Complies with BSEN1276.

For general purpose cleaning, dilute 1 part product with 30 parts of water. Spray or wipe solution onto the surface, allow few seconds to react and wipe clean with a damp cloth, no need to rinse. Food Safe Sanitiser may be used to clean and disinfect a variety of hard surfaces including tables, worktops, sinks, draining boards, cupboard fronts, external equipment surfaces, walls and floors. Always clean vertical surfaces from the bottom up to avoid unsightly streaking.

http://www.greyland.co.uk/product/food-safe-sanitiser/
Wonder if it's re-useable? If it is I'd be able to make one jerry-can last the rest of my life (and pass it on to Grandchildren ) judging by how long I've managed to make my bottle of starsan last
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I use VWP for cleaning and StarSan as a sanitiser. It works well for me, just need to make sure the VWP is well rinsed. I use it on plastic and metal and works very well.
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Hi!
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That's 150 litres for �£4.50: 3p per litre. Not bad!
Charlie Talley's bleach & vinegar sanitiser works out at 0.2p per litre.
Cheap bleach 2 litres 29p, Distilled vinegar 568 ml 39p
Will make 250 litres no-rinse sanitiser: 0.2p per litre.
The beauty of StarSan is that it can be used over again as long as the pH stays below 3.
I discard the bleach/vinegar solution as I use it.
The StarSan may work out to be cheaper in the long run, although more expensive for the initial purchase.
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That's 150 litres for ��£4.50: 3p per litre. Not bad!
Charlie Talley's bleach & vinegar sanitiser works out at 0.2p per litre.
Cheap bleach 2 litres 29p, Distilled vinegar 568 ml 39p
Will make 250 litres no-rinse sanitiser: 0.2p per litre.
The beauty of StarSan is that it can be used over again as long as the pH stays below 3.
I discard the bleach/vinegar solution as I use it.
The StarSan may work out to be cheaper in the long run, although more expensive for the initial purchase.
I've had my bottle for about 4 years now and still got about 1/5th left
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One thing I notice about starsan is the metallic note I've smelled after a few days if left in the fermenter..
Still haven't tried bleach/vinegar mix but I'm sure we shall sometime...

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