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The mash is on, I just made a recipe up all my own doing we will see how it goes
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Knee Nocker
Extra Special/Strong Bitter (English Pale Ale)

Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L): 23.0
Total Grain (kg): 5.200
Total Hops (g): 60.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.050 (°P): 12.4
Final Gravity (FG): 1.013 (°P): 3.3
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.91 %
Colour (SRM): 11.0 (EBC): 21.7
Bitterness (IBU): 35.0 (Average)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70
Boil Time (Minutes): 60

Grain Bill
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2.500 kg Pale Ale Malt (48.08%)
2.500 kg Vienna (48.08%)
0.200 kg Special-B (3.85%)

Hop Bill
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25.0 g Target Pellet (9% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (1.1 g/L)
20.0 g Challenger Pellet (6.1% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.9 g/L)
15.0 g Fuggles Pellet (5.7% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)

Misc Bill
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Single step Infusion at 66°C for 60 Minutes.
Fermented at 20°C with crossmyloof ale yeast, i swapped the special b for cara amber and add100g of black malt and changed the fuggles to ekg to use them up
 
I will An its just on the boil now and very nearly had my first boil over, would that be the vienna malt it's the first time i have used it athumb..
No. The malt doesn't really make a difference. You always need to be on hand as the kettle's coming to the boil and keep stirring it to help the dissolved air escape from the liquid. Which Vienna did you use, by the way? Crisp's is my favourite in English styles.
 
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