Brianbrewed
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It's my wife that's not a fan.
According to her, he's for the rich, not for the working class/poor.
Partygate a new low.
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According to her, he's for the rich, not for the working class/poor.
An Ankoù
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Yeah. I can see why a lot of people would think that. Certainly the burden on the employer is much greater and the security of the worker is more than in many other countries and that's making France uncompetitive, as far as I can see. I'm not in the rat race, just an observer. My wife's French, too, and having lived for decades in the UK, shakes her head and claims her compatriots are complaining with their mouths full! Funny turn of phrase, that.
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You have to realise that, when discussing politics, I don’t have a sense of humour!
The lies and the corruption of this Government and the constant (usually unfounded) attacks by its supporters, are no laughing matter.
If I, or anyone else, “rose to the bait like demented fish” it’s because we care about what Boris and his Right Wing Media pals are doing to the fabric of the UK as they feather their own nests!
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MmmBeer
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I don't think anyone expects Starmer to actully resign over Currygate, that would take integrity and the guy's a lawyer for crying out loud.
During lockdown many, possibly even most houses had visitors at one time or other. Nobody is calling for all their neighbours to be fined.
I just found the irony of this situation so delightful.
During lockdown many, possibly even most houses had visitors at one time or other. Nobody is calling for all their neighbours to be fined.
I just found the irony of this situation so delightful.
Robin54
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Sorry. i didn't realise that anyone who has a different opinion to yours is a troll. That would include half of the forum members
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My prediction.
Starmer will get fined for his meal. The press, which are mostly Tory supporters will make a huge thing if it, calling him a hypocrite etc. Starmer will resign saying that whilst it was a tiny infraction it's in the public interest to restore faith in politicians and he'll hope it will force Boris to do the same (given his was worse and he lied to parliament, got found out, lied about it again to cover his tracks, got found out again).
Boris won't resign because he knows noone believes him and he doesn't give a **** anyway.
Starmer will get fined for his meal. The press, which are mostly Tory supporters will make a huge thing if it, calling him a hypocrite etc. Starmer will resign saying that whilst it was a tiny infraction it's in the public interest to restore faith in politicians and he'll hope it will force Boris to do the same (given his was worse and he lied to parliament, got found out, lied about it again to cover his tracks, got found out again).
Boris won't resign because he knows noone believes him and he doesn't give a **** anyway.
An Ankoù
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You haven't expressed an opinion.
All you've done is thown in "ridiculous" comment to see who would rise to the bait.
How do you define trolling?
Or to put it another way -
Starmer will be fined for breaking the same rule Boris did the press will rightly call him a hypocrite and he will have the choice to go or be a hypocrite and stay as Boris has.
Why do you call his points ridiculous they are his thoughts on the subject he has evert right to post them as you do.
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An Ankoù
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I don't. It's his own word.
Here's a definition of troll from Wikipedia:
All the elements are there: "ridiculous remark:" insincere, digressive... ; "rose to the bait like an demented trout"- provoking readers into displaying emotional responses..; "Brilliant thread "- typically for the troll's amusement (gratification).
In internet slang, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as social media (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.), a newsgroup, forum, chat room, online video game, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses,[2] or manipulating others' perception. This is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or manipulating a political process.
My question is why you think it isn't a troll. I've got no axe to grind here- it's just a bit of banter as far as I'm concerned. But trolling, it definitely is. Couldn't think of a clearer example than that post! Hey, what about it? Reminds me I must dig out my copy of "Steal Your Face" and give it a spin.
The post may have been flippant but he does make a good point.
As for trolling how many times do you need to be told to report trolling and not to carry the trolling on by getting into an argument with the person you accuse of trolling.
As for trolling how many times do you need to be told to report trolling and not to carry the trolling on by getting into an argument with the person you accuse of trolling.
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This thread is an absolute car crash
Its a political thread in the snug did you expect it to end any other way
Back on topic -
BBC News (3 hours ago)
Sir Keir Starmer is not avoiding answering questions over claims he broke lockdown rules, shadow health secretary Wes Streeting has said.
The Labour leader, who drank beer and ate curry in an MP's office during a visit before a by-election last year, has cancelled an appearance on Monday.
Mr Streeting told the BBC Sir Keir was a man of "decency and honesty" and was not "dodging" scrutiny.
But the Tories have accused Sir Keir of double standards.
Sir Keir - who has previously called for Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Chancellor Rishi Sunak to resign over attending Downing Street lockdown events - drank beer and ate curry in the constituency office of City of Durham Labour MP Mary Foy during a visit in April last year when lockdown restrictions were in place.
Durham police have launched an inquiry into whether Covid rules were broken, having previously ruled this out.
A Labour Party spokesperson said: "Keir was working. A takeaway was made available in the kitchen, and he ate between work demands. No rules were broken."
And Ms Foy dismissed allegations that some people who had been in her office were drunk as "untrue", adding: "I do not believe either I or my office staff broke any [Covid] rules."
Sir Keir was due to make a speech and take questions from journalists on Monday afternoon at an event organised by the Institute for Government (IoG) think tank, but he has cancelled his appearance.
The IoG said it had received no explanation for this, but Sir Keir's spokesperson said: "Plans change."
Mr Streeting told BBC Breakfast: "I have no idea why he cancelled the event and I certainly didn't ask before I came on because I think it's such a trivial issue.
"The idea that Keir has been dodging questions... I mean he's been out all weekend, even after a local election campaign where we did very well, he's been out thanking Labour teams, particularly in the places that we did particularly well in these elections."
"The idea that Keir is somehow ducking scrutiny is simply not true," he added, saying he would not "even entertain the idea" that the Labour leader would be found to have broken Covid rules and fined for this.
Sir Keir has said the visit in Durham in April 2021 had been within the rules.
An internal memorandum for the trip, obtained by the Mail on Sunday, scheduled time for "dinner", after which the visit would conclude.
Asked on Sky News whether Sir Keir should resign, Conservative MP and Universities Minister Michelle Donelan said: "This is a decision for him. He's going to have to search his soul after making this a top priority over the last few months at the expense of key issues like the rising cost of living."
"My takeaway is that it does smack of sheer hypocrisy," she added.
Sir Keir has said he will lead Labour - which picked up more than 100 councillors in last week's local elections in England, Scotland and Wales - into the next general election.
The coronavirus rules in place when the drinks took place in Durham on 30 April last year meant it was illegal in England to socialise indoors with people from outside one's own household or support bubble.
There was an exemption for "work purposes", although working from home was recommended in the guidance, but the rules did not mention socialising at work.
BBC NEWS
BBC News (3 hours ago)
Sir Keir Starmer is not avoiding answering questions over claims he broke lockdown rules, shadow health secretary Wes Streeting has said.
The Labour leader, who drank beer and ate curry in an MP's office during a visit before a by-election last year, has cancelled an appearance on Monday.
Mr Streeting told the BBC Sir Keir was a man of "decency and honesty" and was not "dodging" scrutiny.
But the Tories have accused Sir Keir of double standards.
Sir Keir - who has previously called for Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Chancellor Rishi Sunak to resign over attending Downing Street lockdown events - drank beer and ate curry in the constituency office of City of Durham Labour MP Mary Foy during a visit in April last year when lockdown restrictions were in place.
Durham police have launched an inquiry into whether Covid rules were broken, having previously ruled this out.
A Labour Party spokesperson said: "Keir was working. A takeaway was made available in the kitchen, and he ate between work demands. No rules were broken."
And Ms Foy dismissed allegations that some people who had been in her office were drunk as "untrue", adding: "I do not believe either I or my office staff broke any [Covid] rules."
Sir Keir was due to make a speech and take questions from journalists on Monday afternoon at an event organised by the Institute for Government (IoG) think tank, but he has cancelled his appearance.
The IoG said it had received no explanation for this, but Sir Keir's spokesperson said: "Plans change."
Mr Streeting told BBC Breakfast: "I have no idea why he cancelled the event and I certainly didn't ask before I came on because I think it's such a trivial issue.
"The idea that Keir has been dodging questions... I mean he's been out all weekend, even after a local election campaign where we did very well, he's been out thanking Labour teams, particularly in the places that we did particularly well in these elections."
"The idea that Keir is somehow ducking scrutiny is simply not true," he added, saying he would not "even entertain the idea" that the Labour leader would be found to have broken Covid rules and fined for this.
Sir Keir has said the visit in Durham in April 2021 had been within the rules.
An internal memorandum for the trip, obtained by the Mail on Sunday, scheduled time for "dinner", after which the visit would conclude.
Asked on Sky News whether Sir Keir should resign, Conservative MP and Universities Minister Michelle Donelan said: "This is a decision for him. He's going to have to search his soul after making this a top priority over the last few months at the expense of key issues like the rising cost of living."
"My takeaway is that it does smack of sheer hypocrisy," she added.
Sir Keir has said he will lead Labour - which picked up more than 100 councillors in last week's local elections in England, Scotland and Wales - into the next general election.
The coronavirus rules in place when the drinks took place in Durham on 30 April last year meant it was illegal in England to socialise indoors with people from outside one's own household or support bubble.
There was an exemption for "work purposes", although working from home was recommended in the guidance, but the rules did not mention socialising at work.
BBC NEWS
Its a political thread in the snug did you expect it to end any other way
Fair point.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer and his team have discussed whether he will promise to resign in the event of being fined by Durham police for breaking Covid rules.
The opposition leader is expected to make a statement at 16:00 BST.
Sir Keir has been under pressure after police announced they would be investigating an event at which he drank beer at an MP's office in 2021.
Labour has said Sir Keir was working, and insist no rules were broken.
But, Conservatives have accused Sir Keir of "rank double standards" as the opposition leader had previously called for Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Chancellor Rishi Sunak to resign over attending Downing Street lockdown events.
Durham police launched their inquiry on Friday after the local elections, having previously said they did not believe an offence had been committed.
The event under investigation took place at the constituency office of City of Durham Labour MP Mary Foy, where Sir Keir drank beer and ate curry, while lockdown restrictions were in place.
On Saturday, the Labour leader said he would take his party into the next general election, despite the police investigation.
However, speculation has since grown that he could pledge to step down if penalised by the police.
Senior Labour backbencher Dame Margaret Beckett told BBC Radio Derby she thought it "would be a very reckless thing to do" but added "it would not be untypical of Keir if that's what he thought he ought to do."
Sir Keir had been due to make a speech and take questions from journalists on Monday at an event organised by the Institute for Government (IoG) think tank, but he cancelled his appearance.
Labour's shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said his leader was not "ducking" questions adding that he was "a man of decency and honesty".
A Labour Party spokesperson said: "Keir was working. A takeaway was made available in the kitchen, and he ate between work demands. No rules were broken."
And Ms Foy dismissed allegations that some people who had been in her office were drunk as "untrue", adding: "I do not believe either I or my office staff broke any [Covid] rules."
Asked on Sky News whether Sir Keir should resign, Conservative MP and Universities Minister Michelle Donelan said: "This is a decision for him. He's going to have to search his soul after making this a top priority over the last few months at the expense of key issues like the rising cost of living.
"My takeaway is that it does smack of sheer hypocrisy," she added.
Keir Starmer discusses quitting if given Covid lockdown fine - BBC News
The opposition leader is expected to make a statement at 16:00 BST.
Sir Keir has been under pressure after police announced they would be investigating an event at which he drank beer at an MP's office in 2021.
Labour has said Sir Keir was working, and insist no rules were broken.
But, Conservatives have accused Sir Keir of "rank double standards" as the opposition leader had previously called for Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Chancellor Rishi Sunak to resign over attending Downing Street lockdown events.
Durham police launched their inquiry on Friday after the local elections, having previously said they did not believe an offence had been committed.
The event under investigation took place at the constituency office of City of Durham Labour MP Mary Foy, where Sir Keir drank beer and ate curry, while lockdown restrictions were in place.
On Saturday, the Labour leader said he would take his party into the next general election, despite the police investigation.
However, speculation has since grown that he could pledge to step down if penalised by the police.
Senior Labour backbencher Dame Margaret Beckett told BBC Radio Derby she thought it "would be a very reckless thing to do" but added "it would not be untypical of Keir if that's what he thought he ought to do."
Sir Keir had been due to make a speech and take questions from journalists on Monday at an event organised by the Institute for Government (IoG) think tank, but he cancelled his appearance.
Labour's shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said his leader was not "ducking" questions adding that he was "a man of decency and honesty".
A Labour Party spokesperson said: "Keir was working. A takeaway was made available in the kitchen, and he ate between work demands. No rules were broken."
And Ms Foy dismissed allegations that some people who had been in her office were drunk as "untrue", adding: "I do not believe either I or my office staff broke any [Covid] rules."
Asked on Sky News whether Sir Keir should resign, Conservative MP and Universities Minister Michelle Donelan said: "This is a decision for him. He's going to have to search his soul after making this a top priority over the last few months at the expense of key issues like the rising cost of living.
"My takeaway is that it does smack of sheer hypocrisy," she added.
Keir Starmer discusses quitting if given Covid lockdown fine - BBC News
