Really Strong Beer - Why?

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I've seen a few posts recently about brewing really strong beer and there's one thing I just don't get - why?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging or criticising at all - hey, it's your beer, brew it however you like. But can anyone help explain the motivation for brewing such strong beers? Am I missing something, is the beer somehow better when it's stronger? Spending time and effort to brew something this strong seems like a lot of faff just to get hammered so presumably that's not it. Maybe it's just because you can or just for the hell of it, or maybe the technical challenge???

Personally I tend to aim around the 4.5% ABV mark, maybe 5.5% for something like an IPA - I want to enjoy a few beers of an evening but I still need to be able to function the next day. For me anything over about, say, 6% seems pretty strong (doesn't mean I don't or won't drink it, but it's not what I'd choose ordinarily).

I can understand it from a historical point of view, e.g. GH says something like Imperial Stout evolved a higher alcohol content to stop it freezing in the Russian winter.

I don't really understand why Belgian beers are so strong, although on my travels in Belgium and the Netherlands I've noticed they tend not to guzzle their beer so much but rather they sit and savor it. Also they tend to serve the beer in 250 or 330ml glasses rather than pints.

I've had some 8-9% American IPA's before - part of me wonders whether it's just the case that in America more is better, bigger is better so the beers have gotten stronger (and more hoppy) like it's an arms race. As I recall the ones I tried were actually very nice beers but they drunk like they were 5% which can be entertaining to say the least!

From what I've read, it can be tricky to get much depth or body into Mild as it's typically in the 3-4% range so I guess a certain amount of strength is required from this point of view. But my gut feeling is I wouldn't enjoy these 6/7/8%+ beers any less if they were, say, 4 or 5%.

So can anyone shed some light on this? Is there something wonderful about these beers at 6, 7, 8, 9, 10% ABV (and more!) that I'm missing out on, is is it just that y'all like getting hammered? :beer1:

Cheers,

Matt
 
Strong ales or barley wine are often served in smaller glasses and are sipped rather than quaffed. I like mine in a red wine shaped glass.
 
I'm with you on this one @matt76, when I tell people that I brew my own beer they say " wow how strong is it" I just say not that strong 4.5% ish, a session beer, and they look at me as tho' to say "homebrew 4.5%"
 
I normally drink more session strength beer but last night had 3 cans of Magis Rock cannonball IPA 7.4% and its very nice and has something it would not if it was weaker.
 
I have a feeling this may be inspired (in part at least) by my imperial stout thread. For me, pushing the ABV isn't just to get hammered, otherwise I'd just drink vodka or white lightning cider. The technical challenge of brewing a +14% beer certainty is part of it for me (I'm still not sure I'll manage it) but it's more than that.

My personal taste tends to be towards stronger brews, there's more opportunity for complexity of flavour and tend to be more satisfying. Session strength beers have their place but who wants to drink a 4% pale ale on a dark winter night beside the fire?

Some "interesting" statistics:

On Ratebeer there are only 4 beers in the top 50 under 8% abv and the average of the top 10 is 12% abv.

On Beer Advocate also only 4 beers in the top 50 under 8% and average of 10% in the top 10.

Untappd has only 2 beers under 8% in the top 50 and the top 10 average 12.3%.

However I do think there's an element of social pressure and this tends to happen with craft beer drinkers, they like the beers that they're "supposed" to like, which happens to be strong beers. But each to their own, it's personal taste after all.

Also, you say you don't understand why Belgian beers are so strong. Have you tasted those beers? They are incredible, and there's no possible way you could replicate those flavours in a 5% beer.
 
Whereas I do like beer of almost any kind...the strong stuff doesn't like me. I would try the strong stuff but just the one if stopping in but never on a night out as it would probably inhibit my ability to get home..
 
So this is kinda my point - what was extra about it?
I would say for this specific beer it needs the abv to balance the high amount of hops and needs the extra malt that produces the ABV as well. I don't think this really communicates this very well but its the best I can do you really just need to try it and even if you don't personally like it I think you will see the point.
 
Whereas I do like beer of almost any kind...the strong stuff doesn't like me. I would try the strong stuff but just the one if stopping in but never on a night out as it would probably inhibit my ability to get home..

Agree with this. On an all day type session I love Bitter or golden ale on cask, not too much alcohol, not too much gas, and restrained enough hop bitterness that I can still appreciate the flavour several pints in.

I rarely drink the stronger beers outside my own home. But I do really enjoy an imperial stout or a strong Belgian. I’m personally not a big fan of hoppy beers much beyond the 6% area as the alcohol and hops together tend to get a bit sweet and sticky for my palette.
 
One of my elderly friends told me he had moved to stronger ales so he wasn't up all night pissing. He would normally shovel down 5 pints of 4% beer and be up 5-6 times in the night. If he had 2-3 pints of something round 6% he could get away with just getting up once.

I suggested he try 5 pints of 8% beer and just **** the bed instead.
 
I have a feeling this may be inspired (in part at least) by my imperial stout thread.
Thanks @strange-steve , yep, yours was one of them ;)

My personal taste tends to be towards stronger brews, there's more opportunity for complexity of flavour and tend to be more satisfying. Session strength beers have their place but who wants to drink a 4% pale ale on a dark winter night beside the fire?
I do as it'll probably be me who has to get up and put breakfast in the kids the next morning! :laugh8: But I take your point about the opportunity for more complexity athumb.. Can you expand on that, how are they more complex - is it something to do with combining lots of different malts rather than shovelling in a shed-load of base malt???

Also, you say you don't understand why Belgian beers are so strong. Have you tasted those beers? They are incredible, and there's no possible way you could replicate those flavours in a 5% beer.
To be honest, as a rule, I'm not a big fan of Belgian beers (with the exception of witbiers) - but I'm well aware that's almost as disingenuous as saying "I don't like beer" as I know there are many different styles. However, I am open to persuasion so maybe I need to try a wider selection, maybe I just haven't yet found the ones I like. But what really grates is I really struggle to say why I don't like them - I think maybe they're too sweet and sickly or something but in my experience it's a taste like licking a varnished dining table! :laugh8:
 
And me. They only styles I like over sessions strength are Belgian beers and American IPAs.

Most of my brews are in the 4-5.5% bracket, because that generally what I like to drink. I have made a couple of IPAs of about 6.5% and I have a poor attempt of a Belgian Dubbel that I’ve been trying to force down for the last 9 or 10 months.
 
I've always found stronger beers richer and more flavoursome. That said, I think there's a certain type of person who reviews beers on Untappd and Ratebeer and that definitely skews the ratings.
 
Thanks @strange-steve , yep, yours was one of them ;)


I do as it'll probably be me who has to get up and put breakfast in the kids the next morning! :laugh8: But I take your point about the opportunity for more complexity athumb.. Can you expand on that, how are they more complex - is it something to do with combining lots of different malts rather than shovelling in a shed-load of base malt???


To be honest, as a rule, I'm not a big fan of Belgian beers (with the exception of witbiers) - but I'm well aware that's almost as disingenuous as saying "I don't like beer" as I know there are many different styles. However, I am open to persuasion so maybe I need to try a wider selection, maybe I just haven't yet found the ones I like. But what really grates is I really struggle to say why I don't like them - I think maybe they're too sweet and sickly or something but in my experience it's a taste like licking a varnished dining table! :laugh8:

Have you ever drunk Westmalle Tripel? Yes, it is a strong beer, and also very well hopped, but it doesn't taste like IPA or APA. Cooled well, but not ice cold, this is really something to enjoy sipping for an hour or more, in any season of the year.

The only Belgian beers that are sweet are those brewed by AbInbev. I don't consider that a reference.
 
One of my elderly friends told me he had moved to stronger ales so he wasn't up all night pissing. He would normally shovel down 5 pints of 4% beer and be up 5-6 times in the night. If he had 2-3 pints of something round 6% he could get away with just getting up once.
One of my elderly friends told me he had moved to stronger ales so he wasn't up all night pissing. He would normally shovel down 5 pints of 4% beer and be up 5-6 times in the night. If he had 2-3 pints of something round 6% he could get away with just getting up once.
How elderly? A lot of old farts could ingest sand all day and still have to get up 5-6 times a night.
 

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