I always said I'd be a vegetarian when bacon grows on trees.
Drink beer if you're vegan
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NO! - do not bow down to the great tomato god. - tomatoes are evil....
https://www.tomatoesareevil.com/
MyQul
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Who said that the tomato god was a benign god?
Look on my tomato-y works, ye mighty , and despair!
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Exactly many are made in China.
PhilBrew
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Hi Foxy
... iron overload is really only a problem for those with iron overload conditions like hereditary haemachromatosis, and for such patients iron levels are rarely able to be managed by dietary means alone and the (health) benefits of maintaining a healthy diet (which probably will include some high-iron foods) far outweigh the negatives of the odd venesection/blood donation.
The more common problem related to the iron metabolism is iron deficiency, and for those reasons these parts of your post ...
And ... coming back to MyQul's original post ...
Cheers, PhilB
... I think that bit of your post may be a little overstating things ... iron overload is almost NEVER caused by dietary means, you'd need to eat ridiculous amounts of Weetabix to cause overload and even then your body's iron metabolism (link) would be looking to get rid of any excess ingested, as quick as you could eat it ... the fibre in all that cereal would be helping move things along in that respect, also
... iron overload is really only a problem for those with iron overload conditions like hereditary haemachromatosis, and for such patients iron levels are rarely able to be managed by dietary means alone and the (health) benefits of maintaining a healthy diet (which probably will include some high-iron foods) far outweigh the negatives of the odd venesection/blood donation.The more common problem related to the iron metabolism is iron deficiency, and for those reasons these parts of your post ...
... and I might add "Vitamin C increases the rate at which iron is absorbed from foods so drinking fruit juice with or before a meal will help you take in more iron" ... are right on the money, good advice for those wanting to increase their iron intake
And ... coming back to MyQul's original post ...
... Happily beer is also high in iron, even more reason to keep drinking the stuff
Cheers, PhilB
Cwrw666
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Vegans are all total hypocryts - I'm a farmer, vegans have no bl**dy idea what happens when a combine rips it's way across a field.
Your average bag of wholemeal flour contains up to 5% insect matter plus assorted small mammals, amphibians and reptiles.
Your average bag of wholemeal flour contains up to 5% insect matter plus assorted small mammals, amphibians and reptiles.
Cwrw666
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What - refusing to eat meat but eating veg that's got meat minced up with it?
MyQul
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Again we come back to the all 'vegans are vegan for the same reason' "misunderstanding" of non-vegans. I'm quite happy to eat small amounts of insect matter, small mammals , amphibians and reptiles. Remember my weevils thread last summer? I just killed the little buggers by freezing them and brewed with the grain (must remember to check my grain to make sure there's non this year!).
Im sure this idea that vegans are all vegan for ethical reasons is something subtly pushed by the newspapers as it make good copy when they come across a story that seems to suggest that vegans are trying to stop meat eaters from eating meat (which is the real subtext of the story). The British press loves stories that seem to suggest that someone somewhere is trying to stop the Great British Public from doing something. As a cyclist, I often notice stories in the paper that seem to suggest cyclists are somehow trying to stop motorists from driving. The same is true of 'elf & safey, and dare I say it all those stories over the years about the EU stopping us doing this that and the other.
https://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/threads/ahh-weevils.77963/
Norse John
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Hi MyQui,
What you say regarding B12 is correct - in extreme moderation (ie no more than 2 beers a night).
When you drink heavily ( more than 4 beers a night) or 'extremely heavily', then your liver pretty much flushes out all of the goodeness stored in your liver and more, which is one of the reasons why, as a binge drinker that I have to be careful to restock and replenish the lost B-vits and all else lost on those times that I binge drink. TBH, your advice for vegans if they struggle to get b12 among other nutrients in their diet is ill-advised at best, and grossly negligent at worst.
What you say regarding B12 is correct - in extreme moderation (ie no more than 2 beers a night).
When you drink heavily ( more than 4 beers a night) or 'extremely heavily', then your liver pretty much flushes out all of the goodeness stored in your liver and more, which is one of the reasons why, as a binge drinker that I have to be careful to restock and replenish the lost B-vits and all else lost on those times that I binge drink. TBH, your advice for vegans if they struggle to get b12 among other nutrients in their diet is ill-advised at best, and grossly negligent at worst.
Great post. Summed up everything that is wrong with the media in this country.
MyQul
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Tbh, my thread is really tongue in cheek. I notice that you are a new member (Welcome to the forum), you'll soon come to find that there are quite a few type 'banter' type threads and posts on the forum . I think most forumites (and most members of the public) know and understand that drinking alcohol should be done in moderation.
Forumite @An Ankoù has pointed out you'd need to drink about 3L of beer per day, which is obviously unsustainable
I myself dont actually drink that much(Heretic - Burn the witch!). I enjoy beer, but I enjoy the hobby of homebrewing more. As mentioned in te thread I prefer to get my vitamins from my diet and will be getting my B12 from fortified foods like marmite and nut milks
I am going to go a bit left field here Mike but have you considered trying something like Huel?
I actually have Huel for lunch at work and sometimes with a protein tea if I have been doing kettlebells a run or a swim(which isn't vegan as I usually have eggs) but for someone who does a lot of training huel is pretty good.
It isn't a protein shake its a complete meal with all the nutrition vitamins and everything you need and is 100% vegan including B12 (admittedly the vegan thing isn't a big selling point for me but I do appreciate the fact that I am doing some good)
I actually have Huel for lunch at work and sometimes with a protein tea if I have been doing kettlebells a run or a swim(which isn't vegan as I usually have eggs) but for someone who does a lot of training huel is pretty good.
It isn't a protein shake its a complete meal with all the nutrition vitamins and everything you need and is 100% vegan including B12 (admittedly the vegan thing isn't a big selling point for me but I do appreciate the fact that I am doing some good)
MyQul
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I've never heard of Huel (goes off to google it)
MyQul
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I will say this , if you decide to have it I have it one meal a day generally or two but get a blender, I have a bottle blender, also it allows me to add things to the powder for example the chocolate one I add peanut butter too or the vanilla some ground ginger or cinnamon or berries. You can customise it a bit
It does take a little while for your palete to get used to it though but once you do it is fine.
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I think you may have read the same article as me Cereal Killer a study of 29 US breakfast cereals contain significantly more iron than stated on the pack. Men serve themselves 3 times as much as is needed 75 g. 1 in 200 have a genetic iron overload disease haemochromatosis so not rare.Hi Foxy
... I think that bit of your post may be a little overstating things ... iron overload is almost NEVER caused by dietary means, you'd need to eat ridiculous amounts of Weetabix to cause overload and even then your body's iron metabolism (link) would be looking to get rid of any excess ingested, as quick as you could eat it ... the fibre in all that cereal would be helping move things along in that respect, also
The more common problem related to the iron metabolism is iron deficiency, and for those reasons these parts of your post ... ... and I might add "Vitamin C increases the rate at which iron is absorbed from foods so drinking fruit juice with or before a meal will help you take in more iron" ... are right on the money, good advice for those wanting to increase their iron intake
And ... coming back to MyQul's original post ... ... Happily beer is also high in iron, even more reason to keep drinking the stuff
Cheers, PhilB
Foods that increase iron uptake oranges, kiwifruit, carrots, tomatoes, red grapes, peaches, prunes, honey and alcohol.
Things that decrease iron absorption, blueberries, spinach, milk, eggs, walnuts, coffee, chocolate,tea wheat bran, strawberries and herbs.
You need to drink 16 pints of Guinness to get the same amount of iron as in 1 pint of orange juice.
Recommendation daily allowance for vegetarians is 1.8 times higher than the carnivores.
40 % of people taking iron supplements do not need them.
I wish I could have put a link up for all the information but anyone interested the author is Liz Bestic and the article is in an edition of New Scientist
I've been tempted to give this a try. Does it actually fill you up? Any flavours you would recommend?
PhilBrew
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... Nope, I've not read the article ... but, let's just say, I'm very familiar with iron overload conditions, having taken part in long term clinical trials (i.e. living my life, with my genes)
... if what you've quoted from the article is typical of it, then it looks like the usual journalists approach of taking lots of scientific "facts", out of context, and regurgitating them up desperately trying to eek out an "angle" ... the gist of which appears to be "there might be some people in the world who are ending up doing things that might reduce their life expectancy, without knowing it" ... I presume those scientists that came up with those facts are just ignoring the fact that for 200 in 200, the excess salt and sugar added to those breakfast cereals that those people are eating too much of will pose a FAR greater long term health risk, than for excess iron in that 1 in 200 (which is a much disputed figure, anyway) ... presumably there's already a crowded market for funding for research into excess sugar related/obesity issues and excess salt/heart conditions, excess iron research is a niche area I guess, but first you have to find it as a large scale problem, to justify the funding I REALLY do think that the underlying massage from MyQul in his original post in this thread was ... eat/drink a healthy, balanced diet, lots of variety (of the things you like/want), all things in moderation ... which I happen to agree with
Cheers, PhilB
