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Rodcx500z · Dec 15, 2019

I try not to worry to much about things I have no control over, I don't get all this worry stuff we are leaving the eu we are not leaving Europe I have heard of no one losing their job all the shelfs were full of food this morning in the supermarket I filled my car up for less than it was on the 12th, lets not panick and get in a tiswas my personal view is if Boris wants to stay in power he will have look after all the people who voted for him or he will be out next time round

Brianbrewed · Dec 15, 2019

Rodcx500z said:
I try not to worry to much about things I have no control over,

If you lived along either side of the Irish Border you would not have that luxury.
A hard Brexit would very likely mean a hard border and job losses.

Rodcx500z said:
we are leaving the eu we are not leaving Europe

Brexit means you would be leaving the Customs Union, the largest trading bloc in the world.

An Ankoù · Dec 15, 2019

Brianbrewed said:
I hope I'm wrong, but I am quite worried.

Let's hope you're wrong. But I'm worried, too. I think the genie's been let out of the bottle.
Still. Bolt the doors, shutter the windows and break out the home brew. Only eight days to the beginning of Yule and then things'll start brightening up a bit.

samale · Dec 15, 2019

Rodcx500z said:
I try not to worry to much about things I have no control over, I don't get all this worry stuff we are leaving the eu we are not leaving Europe I have heard of no one losing their job all the shelfs were full of food this morning in the supermarket I filled my car up for less than it was on the 12th, lets not panick and get in a tiswas my personal view is if Boris wants to stay in power he will have look after all the people who voted for him or he will be out next time round

You have very little understanding of Ireland. Brexit has caused more devision. Peace in Ireland is fragile and was not considered when Brexit was voted on

Chippy_Tea · Dec 15, 2019

samale said:
Peace in Ireland is fragile and was not considered when Brexit was voted on

I remember this being discussed many times when Brexit was first discussed along with boarders and the rest.

samale · Dec 15, 2019

Chippy_Tea said:
I remember this being discussed many times when Brexit was first discussed along with boarders and the rest.

If that was the case. What is the solution.

Brianbrewed · Dec 15, 2019

samale said:
If that was the case. What is the solution.

Ignore the Irish.
Worked for 800 years

Chippy_Tea · Dec 15, 2019

samale said:
If that was the case. What is the solution.

I haven't a clue thats way above my pay grade.

marshbrewer · Dec 15, 2019

samale said:
If that was the case. What is the solution.

I'm no expert but perhaps similar to the solutions they currently use to manage differing duty rates, sales type taxes and currencies between the north and south without having a hard border?

johncrobinson · Dec 15, 2019

Boris might turn out not to be too bad.??

He has coveted the PMs job for decades,I dont think he will want to be remembered like Thatcher.
Boris would hate to be hated.!!!

An Ankoù · Dec 15, 2019

johncrobinson said:
Boris might turn out not to be too bad.??

He has coveted the PMs job for decades,I dont think he will want to be remembered like Thatcher.
Boris would hate to be hated.!!!

I thought I was one of the most optimistic people in the world, but I see I'm not even in the third league. My good lady on the other hand is a pessimist of the first order, who, on the morning of the Friday the 13th after a night of the full moon, berated herself for not being pessimistic enough.

johncrobinson · Dec 15, 2019

Dont get me wrong i am no Boris fan.

Just saying his ego may keep the swivel eyed in check!!!

Brianbrewed · Dec 15, 2019

Chippy_Tea said:
I haven't a clue thats way above my pay grade.

Unfortunately for Ireland as a whole, it also looks like it's also above Boris's pay grade.

Chippy_Tea said:
I remember this being discussed many times when Brexit was first discussed along with boarders and the rest.

This may be true however, most of the posts on this forum surrounding the Brexit issue seem woefully ignorant of Ireland, North or South.

I wouldn't feel bad though, your politicians are equally ignorant.

marshbrewer · Dec 15, 2019

There have been a number of solutions proposed to avoid a hard border, and still allow for different customs territories. There has, of course, been lots of nay saying and cock waving while nobody knew what was going on, as you would expect during a negotiation, but now everyone knows what's happening (the UK is leaving) I suspect some of the technical solutions already proposed by both parties will be developed and deployed.

Brianbrewed · Dec 15, 2019

I only know of two solutions that are possible;

Customs border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. (Not acceptable to Irish Nationalists, jeopardizes Good Friday Agreement )
Customs border between The Island of Ireland and mainland Britain. (Currently put forward by Boris, not acceptable to Unionists in Northern Ireland)

What are the rest?

prog99 · Dec 15, 2019

Chippy_Tea said:
A very good point Terry.

We pay higher taxes in Scotland.
Also the frozen council tax has contributed a fair bit to cuts in services.

marshbrewer · Dec 15, 2019

Brianbrewed said:
I only know of two solutions that are possible;

Customs border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. (Not acceptable to Irish Nationalists, jeopardizes Good Friday Agreement )
Customs border between The Island of Ireland and mainland Britain. (Currently put forward by Boris, not acceptable to Unionists in Northern Ireland)

What are the rest?

As you know, the Good Friday Agreement requires cross border cooperation, and this is generally regarded as making a hard boarder between the two countries impossible. However, a soft border allowing for technology based checks away from the actual border itself, whilst still allowing for different customs territories, as is used on other sensitive borders in the world could well be a solution.

Brianbrewed · Dec 15, 2019

So a series of soft borders across an actual border?

How far from the actual border?????

What happens if my farm/house stradles the border????

What if I live in the south and my job is in the North????

What if I have a Road haulage company in Donegal and have to make deliveries to Dublin? (google map Donegal)

Between two jurisdictions that may in the future have different standards regarding food????

This has been described by unenforceable by the Irish Government.

Have you ever driven across the Irish border?
Ever been to Newry, Crossmaglen, Derry, Sligo, Donegal, etc

How would you enforce this just using technology???????

The British army had a hard time stopping yahoo's with guns crossing the border.

Look, you're grand, Boris is going to stick a border across the Irish Sea anyway.

Best of luck lads, Brexit will be great craic

marshbrewer · Dec 15, 2019

The principal of soft boarder technology based checks has worked elsewhere with exactly the same issues to overcome. There papers on how this has been achieved on the web- Fujitsu are pretty hot on the technology. Obviously, many of the statements made by politicians during the 'cock waving' stage painted a picture of doom and gloom, but I suspect pragmatism will win out in the end. Obviously, the technology is agnostic, so it doesn't matter if the soft boarder is a North /South one or in the Irish sea, it functions on the same principles.

There are differing fuel duty rates presently on the island; indeed there are different duty rates on things in England and Scotland and no border whatsoever. It all works, given the will.

Brianbrewed · Dec 15, 2019

Grand, that's that sorted.

I am sure the DUP and their supporters would agree with you that a border in the Irish Sea doesn't matter.

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