glassware and oxi cleaners- PBW styles

hedgerowpete · Jan 5, 2020

Been looking into sainitizers and cleaners and all sorts of lotions and potions tonight. Trying to decide if i want to accept new and modern cleaning ideas and chemicals compared to older styles.

One of the million of items i am looking at is called PBW, its a hundred different cleaning things in a jar. Its also an oxygen release cleaner at 4%release, which intrests me.

I have seen and used oxi cleaners for work and the wife has used cilitbang which is similar to this with the oxi release, but not as a sainitizer.

Now i am after a cleaner more than an sainitiser but both combined is no issue. but as a wine maker most of my kit is glass, and i do like to have crystal clear glass.

anyway the question.
Is PBW anygood on glass or is any other oxi cleaner any good on glass

johncrobinson · Jan 5, 2020

I use vwp

I have heard that these oxy cleaners are good for stained demijohns,Only found this out AFTER binning all my demijohns.
Now replacing at nearly £10. a time asad1

dwhite60 · Jan 5, 2020

There is another product called OneStep. It is listed and sold as a cleaner but works as a sanitizer as it creates hydrogen peroxide when mixed in water. Some people refuse to accept it as a sanitizer but I've used it through 2019 with no issues and will continue to. It is also a no rinse product.

All the Best,
D. White

foxbat · Jan 5, 2020

For glassware I have no qualms about using VWP and leaving it to soak overnight. It rinses off glass easily, doesn't soak in like it does with plastic and really does a number on crusty yeast starter flasks. PBW is more expensive and I save it for my SS kit: kettle, fermenter, corny kegs.

HarryFlatters · Jan 5, 2020

I use Oxy on pretty much everything, then Star/Chem San.

simon12 · Jan 5, 2020

I am having issues with glasses (drinking ones), though they look clean if you hold them to a light bulb they look disgusting I have both oxy and starsan so will try tomorrow and report.

HarryFlatters · Jan 5, 2020

simon12 said:
I am having issues with glasses (drinking ones), though they look clean if you hold them to a light bulb they look disgusting I have both oxy and starsan so will try tomorrow and report.

Do you live in an area with very hard water?

johncrobinson · Jan 6, 2020

Re Simon12
As a former bar manager I found the same issue myself and in a soft water area.
The only solution I found was a good lint free polishing cloth,That got the glasses sparkling clean.
I only polished wine/spirit glasses ect. As it did not show on beer/lager.
The cause was the cleaner/sanitiser in the glass washing machine.

Hard water would add another whole dimension.

hedgerowpete · Jan 6, 2020

dwhite60 said:
There is another product called OneStep. It is listed and sold as a cleaner but works as a sanitizer as it creates hydrogen peroxide when mixed in water. Some people refuse to accept it as a sanitizer but I've used it through 2019 with no issues and will continue to. It is also a no rinse product.

All the Best,
D. White

cheers for the tip, i have decided this year to try and find a new all singing and dancing non rinse cleaner/sainitiser. but first i need to polish a lot of demijohns, they all seem dirty and film coated.

I seer the likes of star-san is now called chem-san and now your onestep, videne and meta sulf, Harris sure-san and so forth, i found a few other names searching the back questions, its where i spend most of my time here. i am still researching if i want to change let alone to change to what

where i keep getting stuck is one litre of any of them is £20, for that money i can buy a 5litre commercial grade equilivant andsave hundreds of pounds in costs

BeerCat · Jan 6, 2020

johncrobinson said:
I use vwp

I have heard that these oxy cleaners are good for stained demijohns,Only found this out AFTER binning all my demijohns.
Now replacing at nearly £10. a time

Sterident left overnight works well. You might have to put s sponge in afterwards but it worked better than oxyclean for me with mineral deposits.

Combining the two caused even more deposits around the side when left overnight but it may be ok with other demijohns. Mine seemed scoured and was cracked so i chucked it.

simon12 · Jan 6, 2020

HarryFlatters said:
Do you live in an area with very hard water?

No fairly soft water

simon12 · Jan 6, 2020

johncrobinson said:
Re Simon12
As a former bar manager I found the same issue myself and in a soft water area.
The only solution I found was a good lint free polishing cloth,That got the glasses sparkling clean.
I only polished wine/spirit glasses ect. As it did not show on beer/lager.
The cause was the cleaner/sanitiser in the glass washing machine.

Hard water would add another whole dimension.

Cheers will give that a go to.

simon12 · Jan 7, 2020

OK I tried oxy, citric acid and beer line cleaner and all seemed to remove the older stuff but leave a new residue instead. The lint free cloth works but takes time and is not as lint free as the description implies so needs some sort of rinse afterwards. I will now try a final rinse with just rinse aid and again with just starsan and see what happens.

HarryFlatters · Jan 7, 2020

simon12 said:
No fairly soft water

I take it you're not in Kent anymore?

simon12 · Jan 8, 2020

HarryFlatters said:
I take it you're not in Kent anymore?

Yes still in Edenbridge but there no evidence in the kettle of hard water. Also starsan rinse seems to make no difference,

foxy · Jan 9, 2020

dwhite60 said:
There is another product called OneStep. It is listed and sold as a cleaner but works as a sanitizer as it creates hydrogen peroxide when mixed in water. Some people refuse to accept it as a sanitizer but I've used it through 2019 with no issues and will continue to. It is also a no rinse product.

All the Best,
D. White

Following up to this reply I believe that it has something to do with the FDA why it can't be advertised as a sanitiser (all about $$$$) even though it is.

HarryFlatters · Jan 9, 2020

simon12 said:
Yes still in Edenbridge but there no evidence in the kettle of hard water. Also starsan rinse seems to make no difference,

Check the water quality report from your provider - I thought that Kent had some of the hardest water in the UK?

simon12 · Jan 9, 2020

HarryFlatters said:
Check the water quality report from your provider - I thought that Kent had some of the hardest water in the UK?

According to this water report I have 54 mg/l calcium and 136 mg/l calcium carbonate https://www.waterplc.com/waterquality/L03.pdf which I think if fairly hard, but there is no evidence in the kettle of any hardness/limescale after over a year of use while in Redhill 74mg/l calcium and 186 calcium carbonate theres loads of limescale in the kettle very quickly after its removed. Any idea?

HarryFlatters · Jan 9, 2020

I think @strange-steve is your man to talk water chemistry with.

Try washing some stuff in filtered / distilled / bottled water and see if the deposits remain?

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