Spoons.

Clint said:

Unless its
when you've just got in and your tea's not on the table...then it's unavoidable.

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Thats just Murder Clint.

Pubs have a legal responsibility to NOT sell alcohol to people who are "drunk". (i.e. under the influence of alcohol.)

With a child in tow then the definition of when a person is "under the influence" falls dramatically so Wetherspoons get my vote for this Rule.

Yes they shouldn't sell alcohol at all and we all should be fined heavily or maybe landlords should throw people out after a four pint limit, in fact all pubs should be closed and made into playgroups .

nige said:

Yes they shouldn't sell alcohol at all and we all should be fined heavily or maybe landlords should throw people out after a four pint limit, in fact all pubs should be closed and made into playgroups .

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Could you do us all a favour and quote when replying to a post as its difficult to see who you are trolling when you throw random posts into a thread.

On a serious not i can see why "Parents shouldn't take young kids into pubs" is winning the poll but i wonder what would have happened had i added another option "Should there be a cut off time (i.e 9 p.m) after which no kids are allowed in pubs"

Chippy_Tea said:

Could you do us all a favour and quote when replying to a post as its difficult to see who you are trolling when you throw random posts into a thread.

On a serious not i can see why "Parents shouldn't take young kids into pubs" is winning the poll but i wonder what would have happened had i added another option "Should there be a cut off time (i.e 9 p.m) after which no kids are allowed in pubs"

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Sorry, suppose I was just trolling the whole thread However I thought UK law as it stands is 9pm time limit for children in UK pubs and that's only if food is sold, I think 7pm if food isn't.

nige said:

However I thought UK law was 9pm time limit for children in UK pubs and that's only if food is sold, I think 7pm if food isn't.

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DOH i forgot about the 9 kick out time, maybe "Should there be a cut off time (i.e 7 p.m) after which no kids are allowed in any pubs unless its a private function in a separate room"

Here in the lowlands under-aged cannot buy alcohol in supermarkets. BUT I cannot buy alcohol when my under-aged daughter is with me. So she has to stay in the car whilst my 19 yrs-old son can come with me.
Yet my daughter is an employee of that same supermarket

Unrelated rant: everyone should be ordered to show ID in supermarkets when buying alcohol, not only younger looking persons. Makes everything easier for the cashiers.

Lets really pull the pin out should everybody have a ID card?

Yeah...unless you've got something to hide or it offends you then you won't need one..

Folk here seem fairly settled that kids in "gastro" pubs are fine

But there does seem to be a different opinion when it comes to a proper "drinker".

I have managed busy hotel bars and not had any real problems so to speak of with guests kids in the bar,
But i still dont like being in a pub and having screaming kids under my feet.Ruins my pint.!!

Must be getting old.

When I were a lad.....................women weren't allowed in the public bar. If there was a lounge bar it was ok. I think pubs improved when women were accepted. But no pub is improved by having children under 21 in it.

As far as I can remember this thread is following much of the same lines of discussion that occurred before the decision was made in the UK in 2003 to relax many of the restrictions which prevented children being allowed in pubs and other licenced premises. One of the concerns of the time was that it might encourage children to drink more alcohol when they get older. In that respect it hasn't, because, as I understand it from recent reporting, young people are in general drinking less than previous generations. What isn't clear is what young people do instead, and I suspect that drugs comes into it, although I have nothing to back that up. The other aspect of more freedom for children in licenced premises is that it is good for business and that has certainly been a factor in the number of pubs now selling food (good and bad) since 2003 and before, although there are other things that have influenced that as well. So arguably the 2003 change has in general been a success.
That aside what remains is the good and bad parenting aspect. In my advancing years I concluded long ago by observation that parenting skills and values are passed on from generation to generation. Scumbags will breed scumbags and good parents who have a good set of values will pass those on to their children and so on, but in some respect the liberalising of society which accelerated when I was a child has only made matters worse at pond level. There's not a lot that the licensed trade can do about parenting, except to respond by having local arrangements aligned to their regular clientale, which is what they are allowed to do, and in doing that they have to take on the consideration about who they attract and who they want to discourage from coming through the door to keep their business afloat. And as a customer you usually have big choice now of where you want to go and drink, eat, or socialise with or without children present, rowdy or otherwise.

kelper said:

When I were a lad.....................women weren't allowed in the public bar. If there was a lounge bar it was ok. I think pubs improved when women were accepted. But no pub is improved by having children under 21 in it.

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again depends on the type of pub. A proper boozer pub , which alas , there are fewer & fewer should not admit children. I certainly wouldn’t take my young daughter to a proper boozer. A fave pub of mine is no under 21’s serves amazing ale & gives 10% off card carrying Camra members. However the pub round the corner & I use the term loosely’gastro pub’ welcomes children. Parents need to be responsible & lead by example , however the UK is inundated with Oik scumbags who do not know how to nurture children & show their offspring how to be a valuable member of society.

the baron said:

Lets really pull the pin out should everybody have a ID card?

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Absolutely! Every UK subject should have an ID Card from the age of fourteen.

Not many people know that in the UK you can have as many Passports as you need for your work or for your leisure.

When I was working I had two Passports. As an example of the need, I worked in Indonesia on Passport 1 using a one month Visitors Visa. Every month, just before the Visa expired, I flew over to Singapore to change Passports and returned with a valid Visa in Passport 2. The lass in the office went ahead and got a new Visitors Visa in Passport 1 and a month later I changed over again. This went on until the job was finished.

When I retired, we lived in France on a boat and wished to visit Russia. To get a Russian Visa it is imperative that you present your Passport to the Russian Embassy and it takes up to a month for the Visitors Visa to be issued. In France there is a law that says that everyone MUST carry their ID Card or Passport with them. Again, obtaining a second Passport meant that we didn't have to disrupt our lives by coming back to the UK in order to obtain a Russian Visa.

On the other hand, our French friends, using just their French ID Card, were able to visit us in the UK, travel all over the EU and fly as far away as Guadeloupe without a Passport!

I can't see why we don't have ID Cards in the UK. There is no valid reason whatsoever and it would make life a lot easier for most of us in the UK and a lot of UK Government Agencies.

In the days when we were members of the EU it would also have meant that we could travel all over the EU without a Passport. Maybe it was the thought of losing control of the British people that stopped the politicians from carrying on with the plan to issue ID's to everyone.

Dutto said:

Absolutely! Every UK subject should have an ID Card from the age of fourteen.

Not many people know that in the UK you can have as many Passports as you need for your work or for your leisure.

When I was working I had two Passports. As an example of the need, I worked in Indonesia on Passport 1 using a one month Visitors Visa. Every month, just before the Visa expired, I flew over to Singapore to change Passports and returned with a valid Visa in Passport 2. The lass in the office went ahead and got a new Visitors Visa in Passport 1 and a month later I changed over again. This went on until the job was finished.

When I retired, we lived in France on a boat and wished to visit Russia. To get a Russian Visa it is imperative that you present your Passport to the Russian Embassy and it takes up to a month for the Visitors Visa to be issued. In France there is a law that says that everyone MUST carry their ID Card or Passport with them. Again, obtaining a second Passport meant that we didn't have to disrupt our lives by coming back to the UK in order to obtain a Russian Visa.

On the other hand, our French friends, using just their French ID Card, were able to visit us in the UK, travel all over the EU and fly as far away as Guadeloupe without a Passport!

I can't see why we don't have ID Cards in the UK. There is no valid reason whatsoever and it would make life a lot easier for most of us in the UK and a lot of UK Government Agencies.

In the days when we were members of the EU it would also have meant that we could travel all over the EU without a Passport. Maybe it was the thought of losing control of the British people that stopped the politicians from carrying on with the plan to issue ID's to everyone.

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No thanks

One concession would lead to chipping us. Imagine a world of of seamless integration to the www , instant info into our neural networks , the powers to be knowing everything we think. The powers to be being able to shut us down if we disagree with policy. Tracking our every move & thought under the guise of id etc.. monitoring everything in microscopic detail. The hive mentality.

Winterbournebrewery said:

No thanks

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"No thanks' is not a valid reason for not having ID Cards. Sorry!

Fear of the future is also not a valid reason and why someone should jump from having an ID Card to inserting a chip is ludicrous.

If you drive a vehicle in the UK you have to have a Driving Licence. A Drivers Licence contains the same kind of information as an ID Card would carry and after 55+ years of driving no-one has tried to "chip" me!

Just wait Dutto , you are in for a surprise in the next few years !

With regard to kids in pubs, SWMBO, a French friend and I went for lunch today and shared the Dining Room with two young girls aged about six and four and their families.

I've shared dining areas with kids before and some of them are so badly behaved that I've felt like strangling the little beggars. However, these two were so well behaved that I handed them a chocolate each (not mine obviously) from the three that the Manager gave me as a reward for paying my Bill.

It's nice to know that some parents bring their children up so well that they can be taken out to a pub and not be an annoyance to anyone!