Is this going to be the end of the orange man?

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Agree I doubt Boris will still be there if there's one thing you can count on the Tory's for it's their ability for backstabbing they are the undisputed ruthless masters of it. If their popularity wanes and it looks like they will lose an election out comes the long knives, power at any cost is their motto.

All this virus has done is given them a scapegoat for Brexit.
And how is Labour any different? Look what they did to my boy!
 
Agree I doubt Boris will still be there if there's one thing you can count on the Tory's for it's their ability for backstabbing they are the undisputed ruthless masters of it. If their popularity wanes and it looks like they will lose an election out comes the long knives, power at any cost is their motto.

All this virus has done is given them a scapegoat for Brexit.
And how is Labour any different? Look what that did to my boy!
 
You won't get any argument from me on that one. I'm a labour member have been most of my life and I fully supported Jeremy he is the sort of Labour leader that we needed however he was always going to be toxic to a certain proportion of the electorate unfairly in my opinion.

He was always going to be up against it from the right-wing media we have in this country but he should never have received the abuse that he got from his own party and MP's.
 
They sacrificed Corbyn

I liked Corbyn at first but he wasn't strong enough and by the end he took his own cross, ladder, hammer and nails to the top of the hill and his haters were more than happy to nail him to it.
 
I am a labour supporter but only joined the party after Brexit because of Jeremy’s awful performance so I wanted to vote him out. Although I did warm to him he was unelectable and I did vote for Keir because he is electable.
 
Kier was my first choice to replace Jeremy as well we must win the next election and I feel he would possibly garner enough support to achieve that.

I remember my father going on a march with Jeremy Corbyn in support of the miner's strike I couldn't go as I was working.
 
It must have been a tough choice for the fence sitters to choose between Trump and Clinton will he win this one?
There was never a question among Republicans about 45*. They knew who he was. Aside from the numerous scandals in the 45* campaign--and for that campaign that benefited him, 45* lost the popular vote by 3M and only squeezed out a win because of the electoral college.

Prominent Senate Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, 2015:
"I want to talk to the Trump supporters for a minute. What is Donald Trump’s campaign about? He’s a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot You know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell."

Unfortunately, those qualities listed are appealing to a section of Americans.
 
hoping a US trade deal. If biden wins we wont get one I dont think.
Hello. What makes you think that? To most Americans, our relationships with our allies are of the utmost importance and which benefits all. We've cringed, collectively, at the way POTUS has treated our allies. 45* is an extreme isolationist.
As a disclaimer, I'm not particularly well-versed in politics other than playing catch-up these last four, painful years. So I may be missing some salient history on the subject.
 
I don't see how Trump can win if he does they deserve everything they get.
The Republicans are doing their best to suppress the vote. They're currently flooding the system with lawsuits and attempting to neuter the US postal service. The lawsuits are all focused on voter suppression.
In any case, if 45* wins, we'll get what we deserve but it won't be pretty, on a global scale either.
 
Still got a lower death rate than we have, in terms of deaths per million population.
Our death rate is lower (and I'm glad it is low aside from any other thoughts) because we've dragged out the pandemic to an obscene degree. We've gotten better at combating it and the numbers are further skewed because of the demographics being affected (those not likely to die).
Basically, you got stuck with the initial pandemic numbers in terms of death rate because you controlled the virus.
 
Libs have spent four years trying to unseat Trump. They've worked harder at this than anything else since Trump got elected. They've wasted untold millions if not billions of taxpayer dollars fighting to get Trump removed from office. Hillary even had Nobama, the sitting president at the time, pulling strings at the department of justice during the 2016 election to manufacture dirt against Trump to assure her winning and she still lost.

Now, who is most likely to try some unethical **** to win the upcoming election?
Just for the average UK citizen. This is the propaganda from the minority. Each point is easily disproved and slanted.
 
If I may, I'll correct that to 'Should win elections'
Unfortunately being more cynically realistic, the candidate who can blame "somebody else caused this, vote for me and I'll get them for you " the most and make it stick will come out on top.

Actually the polling data suggests that the best predictors for winning elections are leader approval ratings and which party is most trusted with the economy. And to that extent, Starmer has made remarkable progress, he's been approaching Blair-in-1994/5 levels on the former, but the jury is still out on the latter. But those factors seem to be more reliable than what people say is their current voting intention.

Just on the health thing, the miracle is that the US spends twice as much as most civilised countries on healthcare, but the outcomes are lousy, well behind on things like life expectancy. The best in the US is terrific, but money doesn't get channeled to the places where it could do most good (and as we've seen, it struggles with things like a coordinated public health policy).

And don't forget that any trade deal has to get through Congress, it's not just in the hands of the President. In particular that means it could get held up if the Irish lobby in Congress isn't happy with progress on the Irish border.
 
If a party wants to get into power they have to field a stronger candidate, neither the democrats, nor the Labor party in the UK have that.
Its the party which have a plan for the economy coming out of the Corona crisis which will win elections.
Lying a bit less is a good start - and not breaking promises. I remember the lib dems getting rightly caned for the tuition fees capitulation just to get a whiff of power. That led me to conclude the main parties all have a similar set of morals.
 
Keir Starmer is more popular as a potential PM than Boris now
He is, but the same pollsters / polls put the Conservatives ahead by quite a margin. So people seem to like Starmer but are not yet ready to trust Labour. However, if he (Starmer) can move away from the left and face down momentum etc, I suspect he could win the next election.
 
Trump's supporters get their news from Fox, social media and right-wing sources plus Evangelical ones. So they are in an information bubble. I think the election will be very close. If the economy picks up or if Covid numbers start to drop statewide, then Trump might get re-elected.
Trump does not have what it takes to deal with the economy or covid so he'll be getting no help with his re-election from either one of those taking a turn for the better. Not to mention his racist handling of the BLM issue.
 
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