Batch priming the easy way

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  1. Mar 15, 2019 #21

    Peter Scandlyn

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    Hmmm. There seems to be some overly complicated ways out there :confused:.
    I like the look of pms67's method, have to give it a shot - similar to what I'm doing anyway except presently I dissolve before pouring.
     
  2. Mar 15, 2019 #22

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    Thank you :) Sounds an interesting method! Any reason you prefer dextrose for this?
     
  3. Mar 15, 2019 #23

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    Dextrose dissolves into solution very easily and quickly. I doubt this method would work quite as well with ordinary granulated sugar... but I could be wrong.
     
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    What, in the name of all that's drinkable, are "carb drops"? Sugar, no doubt, otherwise they wouldn't carbonate your beer. I'll bet they cost an arm and a leg. I buy sugar cubes from the local supermarket. They come in 3g, 4g and 6g. If I want 2g, I can chop a 4g in half. They cost nothing for a box of 750g or a kilo. I can have plain sugar or brown demarara sugar. You decide what carbonation level you want and "drop" one in the bottle. You don't need dextrose, maltose, glucose, invert sugar, candi sugar, or brewers sugar, corn syrup or any other high-priced junk; only sucrose. It does exactly the same job and costs nothing.
    For heaven's sake.
     
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  5. Mar 15, 2019 #25

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    Why don’t you decide what carb level you want eg 5 or 7g per litre, multiply it and put the whole lot (dissolved) into your FV then bottle, saves cutting 40 cubes
     
  6. Mar 15, 2019 #26

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    Brewing sugar is a lot finer than granulated sugar, it may well be in my head but as JonBrew says, I think it dissolves quicker, it’s certainly worked for me every time .
     
  7. Mar 16, 2019 #27

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    I rack from the fv into a bottling bucket because I am paranoid about having an fv with a tap on it developing a leak. so I use an auto syphon. the BB has a brewing sugar solution in it and automatically mixes during racking. I also co2 purge the BB. but @pms67 :hat:for a method that works for you but scares me a bit.
     
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    I don't often have to cut 20 cubes (for a 40 bottle batch). I would never use carbonation drops at £12 a kilo when I can get a kilo of table sugar, granular or cubes, for much less than a pound. The contain glucose and dextrose. So what? Dextrose is just an optical isomer of glucose anyway- there is no chemical difference. Table sugar is sucrose and there's so much invertase around in the yeast from conditioning beer that there's little advantage in using anything else. If carbonation drops contained fermentatble sugars, a bit of nutrient and a smidgeon of a neutral bottling yeast, I might consider them. I hate a rip off.

    So. to answer your question, people should do what works best for them. I don't purge my bottle of oxygen before bottling, I let the carbonated beer from the secondary fermentation vessel fall onto the mass of sugar at the bottom of the bottle and fizz. This release of carbon dioxide forces the oxygen out of the bottle. Also if I use a third vessel, a bottling bucket, I'm moving the beer once again into a vessel full of air and increase the chance of oxidation. Moreover, some of the dissolved carbon dioxide will come out of the beer during the transfer making my carbonation level calculation (from Brewer's Friend) less accurate. Finally, I have observed that the sugar at the bottom of a newly filled and capped bottle takes much, much longer than 5 minutes to dissolve so I don't see how tipping sugar into the beer and not stirring it (releasing more CO2) repeatedly is going to work. But, if it works for you, go with it.
    I have yet to get a whirlpool to work successfully!!!!
     
  9. Mar 16, 2019 #29

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    I'm with you, except my sugar comes out of a bag, and added in bulk or using a measuring spoon. I have never seen different size sugar cubes in shops in the UK.
    But I followed the @pms67 method I would use dextrose since it dissolves easier, and that would seem to be needed for it to work properly
     
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    "Daddy's" sugar cubes must be a French thing, then. Never used them in the UK as I could get gas refills easily and put most stuff in pressure barrels.
     
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    in the Uk Daddies is IMO the best tomato ketchup known to man. Once made in the UK, production was switched to the Netherlands but now is made in Poland.

    This is my biggest brexit fear. - No ketchup :eek:
     
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    I bought a bottling "kit" from geterbrewed and the wand didn't fit the tap it came with lol

    I just tied doubled up muslin cloth over the tap and it worked fine, no issue with missing the bottle or anything. 1 or 2 drips max per bottle wasted
     
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