Have a Beaverdale coming near bottling at the minute and was planning a cheaper kit , The Range have a red kit around £20 , lower concentrate , probably only 2 litres, was thinking about maybe 5 litres of grape juice, have Tesco Lidl and Sainsbury’s within a mile from me, and that lucky supermarket with the cheapest price will get my £5-6, will I have to reduce sugar and get a gravity reading, or as you said will it be a wishy washy bodiless red . Do I stick with the middle of the road £40 kits