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No leadership, no direction. Time to throw the towel in and let the Torys run the country unaposed. Be a lot better off.
Which of these do you want to do away with first: the NHS, free Schooling, British Owned Companies, The Armed Forces, Emergency Services?

The Tories have a record of trying to sell all of these off, usually to the lowest bidder. Mind you they then wrap themselves in the Union Flag so it makes it all better.
 
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Which of these do you want to do away with first: the NHS, free Schooling, British Owned Companies, The Armed Forces, Emergency Services?

The Tories have a record of trying to seel all of these off, usually to the lowest bidder. Mind you they then wrap themselves in the Union Flag so it makes it all better.
He's an Ozzie so it doesn't affect him so just ignore.
 

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I didn’t hear that so I don’t know the context, but it does seem as if she’s suggesting that the way to deal with voters moving ever closer to the right, is for Labour to move closer to the left.
These people are dreamers - the narrative is that people actually want a far left govenment so in protest at not being offered one they vote for a Tory party that is right of Thatcher - it is ilogical in the extreme. Mind you if you have someone who opposes Grammer schools because they foster elitism and then sends their own children to Independent school logic is not obviously a strong point.
 

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Which party leader spent 3 years trying to overturn the ‘democratic referendum’? It wasn’t Starmer became wasn’t leader and Corbyn certainly didn’t.
Corbyn sat back and let it all happen.
 

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Which of these do you want to do away with first: the NHS, free Schooling, British Owned Companies, The Armed Forces, Emergency Services?

The Tories have a record of trying to sell all of these off, usually to the lowest bidder. Mind you they then wrap themselves in the Union Flag so it makes it all better.
My approach would be to let a labour government in and see how bad they perform. And it would be bad. Socialism doesn't work. if you think it does you are a dreamer.
 

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My approach would be to let a labour government in and see how bad they perform. And it would be bad. Socialism doesn't work. if you think it does you are a dreamer.
You are right it doesn't work - the things labour have brought in or enhanced have been a massive failure: Council housing, the NHS (opposed by the Tories), State Pensions, the minimum wage all things that nobody likes and we all want rid of.
 

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I completely agree with everything Darlacat says. One other point about the caricature of Boris Johnson as a loveable buffon is his name. Everyone, and I mean everyone including the media and a lot of the opposition calls him Boris. I don't think this has ever happened with a Prime Minister and just adds to and reinforces the illusion.
One interesting article in the FT a while back was on exactly this while stressing why their policy was always to refer to him as Johnson or Mr Johnson, with the argument that refering to him as Boris played into the persona that he has created for himself as a ‘loveable Buffon’. I remember another article commenting on how they saw an after dinner speech given by him in which he arrived late, disheveled and appeared to give an off the cuff speech, and then not long after saw him at another one where he basically gave the same speech. Boris or Bojo or whatever the media calls him is arguably a carefully created caricature or stage act, and referring to him as such just helps to play into it.
 

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He's an Ozzie so it doesn't affect him so just ignore.
Can I please remind members that calling another member because of their nationality is to be avoided and that if we are only to comment on threads that affect us personally we would not have discussions re things happening in the world as only people it affects could comment.
If you do not agree then make a counter comment of some substantial relevance
 

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I quite agree Baron.
Most of the posts on this forum are quite innocuous.
However i would hate to see it dissolve into a hate fest.
I think chippy and yourself have done a good jobathumb..
One thing i do know is that hatred plays no part in my life.
 

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Can I please remind members that calling another member because of their nationality is to be avoided and that if we are only to comment on threads that affect us personally we would not have discussions re things happening in the world as only people it affects could comment.
If you do not agree then make a counter comment of some substantial relevance
Who's calling someone's nationality I am stating a fact and what he says doesn't affect him. Can I not say someone is French or Scottish.
 

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1. you are not stating a fact as he is Australian which is the correct term to use as short or Nicknames can be deemed by some people as a insult.
2. you are telling other members to ignore him or his comments as they are not to your liking, all members have the right to their opinions and it is not for other members to tell others to ignore.
3. As I stated ALL members have the right to comment on whatever the subject as long as it is done in a constructive way and respectfully. In that case the recent threads that are about foreign matters lets say as a example Donald Trump would have disbarred most members from commenting including you
 

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1. you are not stating a fact as he is Australian which is the correct term to use as short or Nicknames can be deemed by some people as a insult.
2. you are telling other members to ignore him or his comments as they are not to your liking, all members have the right to their opinions and it is not for other members to tell others to ignore.
3. As I stated ALL members have the right to comment on whatever the subject as long as it is done in a constructive way and respectfully. In that case the recent threads that are about foreign matters lets say as a example Donald Trump would have disbarred most members from commenting including you
Um..not sure I agree with this. The point about him being an Australian is that he has no stake in this game which is what CC was saying and which i understood - the fact that the NHS might be sold off might be interesting to someone from Mongolia and they may have an opinion but as it wont affect them it means that the weighting I would give to that opinion would go down or up depending on the circumstances.

As to this "you are not stating a fact as he is Australian which is the correct term to use as short or Nicknames can be deemed by some people as a insult. " I have family who are Aussies and I don't know anyone of them or any Australian that would think that was an insult. In fact my brother in law announced really clearly on the eve of my Sister's wedding to him that because she had become an Aussie that day, by ceremoney, "today there is one less Pom and tomorrow there will be one less (insert my family name)". If we are going to continue this fear of offence then we will be a poorer people, societally, culturally and linguistically.
 

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Um..not sure I agree with this. The point about him being an Australian is that he has no stake in this game which is what CC was saying and which i understood - the fact that the NHS might be sold off might be interesting to someone from Mongolia and they may have an opinion but as it wont affect them it means that the weighting I would give to that opinion would go down or up depending on the circumstances.
Many of us commented in the Trump threads here including me many called him not fit to be in the job if you take the view above why was it OK for members here to take part and rip Trump to shreds but its not OK for Foxy to discuss things that happen here?


You missed point 3 -

3. As I stated ALL members have the right to comment on whatever the subject as long as it is done in a constructive way and respectfully. In that case the recent threads that are about foreign matters lets say as a example Donald Trump would have disbarred most members from commenting including you
 
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Um..not sure I agree with this. The point about him being an Australian is that he has no stake in this game which is what CC was saying and which i understood - the fact that the NHS might be sold off might be interesting to someone from Mongolia and they may have an opinion but as it wont affect them it means that the weighting I would give to that opinion would go down or up depending on the circumstances.

As to this "you are not stating a fact as he is Australian which is the correct term to use as short or Nicknames can be deemed by some people as a insult. " I have family who are Aussies and I don't know anyone of them or any Australian that would think that was an insult. In fact my brother in law announced really clearly on the eve of my Sister's wedding to him that because she had become an Aussie that day, by ceremoney, "today there is one less Pom and tomorrow there will be one less (insert my family name)". If we are going to continue this fear of offence then we will be a poorer people, societally, culturally and linguistically.
The term he used was done on a negative thread and I am sure most people do not take abbreviations or nicknames too seriously if done in jest or banter but it was done as a "its nothing to do with you attitude" which can turn it to a insult.
Point 3 as Chippy says is that only American people should discuss American matters and not be open for others to quote his words " it doesn't affect him" well neither does other countries matters to him so he should not get involved with these threads in his reasoning which we do not agree with all threads are up for discussion no matter where you come from as long as done with respect. Telling other members to ignore is not respectful and leads to other issues if not kept in check
 

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Many of us commented in the Trump threads here including me many called him not fit to be in the job if you take the view above why was it OK for members here to take part and rip Trump to shreds but its not OK for Foxy to discuss things that happen here?


You missed point 3 -
Let me make a point to you too then. If there are a group of women talking about issues that effect them and one has a strong opinion and it turns out that that poster is a man, should that opinion be on equal footing as those of women? Of course not becuase it doesn't affect them. I am not saying that people from anywhere, even people from other Galaxies such as Spock shouldn't have an opinion on the NHS, but someone telling me that they are from Vulcan means that I don't have to ask any questions about why they feel its a good thing if they can't be treated, because, they aren't going to be treated by the NHS anyway. They can have any opinion they want but I can choose to weight that opinion in anyway I so choose. The OP was telling me that this person was an Austrailan and that is factual - it isn't an insult to be an Australian - I quite like them.
 

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The term he used was done on a negative thread and I am sure most people do not take abbreviations or nicknames too seriously if done in jest or banter but it was done as a "its nothing to do with you attitude" which can turn it to a insult.
Point 3 as Chippy says is that only American people should discuss American matters and not be open for others to quote his words " it doesn't affect him" well neither does other countries matters to him so he should not get involved with these threads in his reasoning which we do not agree with all threads are up for discussion no matter where you come from as long as done with respect. Telling other members to ignore is not respectful and leads to other issues if not kept in check
I refer you to my answer to Chippy in regards to opinions.

On Nicknames - let the Australian fellow tell us if he is offended rather than take it on board to police everyones feelings unless it is an obvious insult. I am sure that the Puritans of England thought they were doing a good thing banning singing and dancing but history tells us they weren't. Later on Kevin Bacon solved this with dancing in footloose - the whole town were happier.
 
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All opinions are of a equal footing whatever the subject. All members do not always register if they deem something as a insult but just never post or leave the forum, not everybody likes confrontation so it is easier to just not go there again.
I IMO did not let the comment go as it was in a negative frame I would not dream of telling somebody in a discussion it is nothing to do with them and under normal discussions the term used would not have been a problem as I have said in banter or jokes but I did not see a emoji to put it in any of those categories.
If you do not agree with something a member has said then tell them in a constructive way do not post telling other members to ignore them.
Sorry but I see it in a different way to you but I have read and divulged your answer and not told you it is nothing to do with you as it is a moderation issue unlike the poster and that is said tongue in cheek to get the reasoning behind it across
 

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All opinions are of a equal footing whatever the subject. All members do not always register if they deem something as a insult but just never post or leave the forum, not everybody likes confrontation so it is easier to just not go there again.
I IMO did not let the comment go as it was in a negative frame I would not dream of telling somebody in a discussion it is nothing to do with them and under normal discussions the term used would not have been a problem as I have said in banter or jokes but I did not see a emoji to put it in any of those categories.
If you do not agree with something a member has said then tell them in a constructive way do not post telling other members to ignore them.
Sorry but I see it in a different way to you but I have read and divulged your answer and not told you it is nothing to do with you as it is a moderation issue unlike the poster and that is said tongue in cheek to get the reasoning behind it across
I will leave this now with two thoughts 1) Discussing the problems of driving withsome who doesn't drive may be interesting but won't help me resolve the issue I am having with driving and 2) In regards to the word Aussie - I will fall off my chair if I ever heard of an Australian who found it offensive. If I did I would strongly, strongly recommend that they do not go to any sporting event involving Australia especailly if the opponent is a Saffa (from South Africa like my wife and her family), a Kiwi (from New Zealand) or a Pom (someone from England) - it will shock them to the very core!

I leave you to do your job which you are doing very well.
 

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