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Interesting thing about Thatcher was that it wasn't until her second and third term that she achieved a lot of the things she is remembered for, enabled by an opposition that was fracturing and riven by division. Will be interesting to see if history is repeating itself, but with Labour and Conservatives swapping places; it may not be, but things look obvious in hindsight but not necessarily at the time.
I've seen several comments from people connected to the early years of Blair that they regret not being more ambitious in the 1997-2001 Parliament, partly because they had a majority to readily force things through, but also to give time for long-term stuff to take effect and be seen to take effect. So I suspect Starmer may be more radical than we think in his early years, although I hope he resists the temptation to make rash promises about what he will do in the first 100 days, that kind of stuff sounds a good idea at the time but is a bit like football clubs dealing in the January transfer window, it all ends up being a bit rushed and second-best compared to something properly thought through and consulted on.
 
What you're missing is that the UK was one of the first to flirt with 21st-century populism, and the populists got their moment in 2016 with the Brexit referendum. Since then the Tories' programme of government has been increasingly influenced by the populists until it increasingly looks like a National Front manifesto from the 1970s (ditto the MAGA wing of the US Republicans who literally stole the National Front's slogan). And what has populism delivered?
  • Living standards – as measured by household real disposable income accounting for household composition and housing costs – have fallen by some 7 per cent on average across the distribution relative to 2019.
  • This fall in living standards has hit the bottom half of the income distribution hardest: for the poorest 10 per cent of households, living standards are lower by around 20 per cent compared with 2019-20 levels; for income deciles 2-4, the fall in living standards is on average around 8 per cent.
  • For the poorest 10 per cent of households, this means an income shortfall of some £4,600 (in current prices) in 2024-25 relative to 2019-2020
    We project that the living standards of households in the bottom 40 per cent of the population (earning up to about £34,000 per year) will not return to pre-pandemic levels before April 2028.
  • We project that the living standards of households in the bottom 40 per cent of the population (earning up to about £34,000 per year) will not return to pre-pandemic levels before April 2028.
Moreover the signature policy of populism, Brexit, is generally regarded as having delivered the majority of that cut in disposable income. So aside from a noisy minority (as in #201) the UK is kinda over the quick fixes of the populists, we're preparing for a long slow haul out of the mire that populism helped create.

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Fortunately, I can look at the broad spectrum of politics, not just the ramblings of a Marxist/Socialist, failed Labour candidate.
Tony McMahon is writing for the gullible. I thought everyone was aware of what the pandemic would do to the economies of the world, we felt it here in Australia and we didn't go through Brexit.
On top of the pandemic and Brexit, investors have been unwilling to invest in the UK for a number years, not just under this present government.

Investment as a share of GDP
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I think she makes some good points why are we being forced oit of our ICE cars into electric cars by the government when the country that makes many of them and sells them to us carrys on burning fossil fuel with no intention to stop?
 
I think she makes some good points why are we being forced oit of our ICE cars into electric cars by the government when the country that makes many of them and sells them to us carrys on burning fossil fuel with no intention to stop?

Because we are happy to claim we're doing something when essentially we're just off-shoring our emissions.

She's spouting the usual populist drivel. Speaking "for the people" against the "elite". Well her and her ilk do not speak for me.
 
.She's spouting the usual populist drivel. Speaking "for the people" against the "elite". Well her and her ilk do not speak for me.
I wish more people would ask these sort of questions I'm public its madness we are importing EVs from China while they carry on polluting and have no intention to stop if the government are serious about saving the planet why not block imports of their EVs until they agree to stop polluting the planet?
 
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40, 000 care workers sacked because they didnt want an untested vaccine.
Erm, 40,000 care workers who would put patients at risk if they passed COVID onto them. The point about freedom is that your rights should not seriously infringe the rights of others. We live in a democracy where governments make decisions that constrain the freedoms of others (for example being taxed to pay for public services). If people are not happy with that they can vote them out. I think there should be constraints on what the majority can impose on the minority, and that is one of the reasons we have international law (but I doubt she is in favour of that).
 
Also, the idea that the vaccine was untested is just factually inaccurate.
 
Also, Tommy Robinson and his ilk are fascists, pure and simple. If fascism is extreme right wing nationalism, which I think is a pretty good description, they are fascists. Obviously they are going to be careful in what they say in an attempt to sound reasonable. Le Pen in France is doing exactly the same thing. Note that they also tap into genuine grievances people have (around availability of housing, for example) but we don't have to accept their solutions about how to make things better.
 
I do not agree with most of what she said but as Chippy has stated the influx of Chinese EVs mostly state subsided that are built and transported using huge amounts of fossil fuels is making a joke of the message around EVs.
Now I can't say if my Hyundai that was built in the Czech Republic was using as much fossil fuels but being subject to stricter protocols I imagine it was.
Also as the world security picture changes do we really want to be so reliant on China?
Does raise a question tho if the Chinese government are willing to support EV manufacturers to flood the market why are domestic governments not doing the same surely that would be a win win situation?
 
Facism is very strong term and while I agree correctly applied in the above examples it gets thrown about too easily at times.
Sunak throwing the SNP into a speech about extremists and fascists was ill judged and down right irresponsible
 
Erm, 40,000 care workers who would put patients at risk if they passed COVID onto them. T
Erm, the government are solely to blame for putting patients and care workers at risk they sent residents back to the care homes when they still had Covid, it was a disgrace and then the carers had a gun put to their heads either you have a vaccine or you lose your job, my wife didn't want the vaccine (as discussed in the Covid thread) as she has some heath issues but had it because we could not afford her to give up her job, she and many of her colleagues left care a long time ago due to the way they were treat, low pay and awful hours and that is why the care industry is in the state its in.
 
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Also, the idea that the vaccine was untested is just factually inaccurate.

How long do vaccines normally go through testing? I call it untested you call it whatever you want!

Edit to add - "Accelerated" doesn't suggest it was tested properly to me.


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