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Some members have been very vocal about Nigel's views on immigration so i posted this earlier which shows the figures and no one has replied, do members agree that we have to do something about immigration we cannot carry on letting 1,250,000 in every year how can we take in the predicted 14 million over the next 15 years?



Reform UK will release its “contract with the people” in full on June 17, Nigel Farage has announced as he set out more of the party’s economic pledges to repair the “skint” UK.


Do you agree with this draft which may or may not be in the "Contract"

Uncontrolled mass immigration has pushed Britain to breaking point. A record 1,250,000 immigrants entered the UK in 2022. That is a city the size of Birmingham. Data is expected to show a similar number arrived in 2023 and probably 2024. New government figures say that almost 14 million people will arrive between 2021 and 2036. That is almost 1 million every year. The population explosion has led directly to the depression of local wages, the housing crisis and the NHS waiting list crisis. British culture, identity and values are under threat.

In 2022 over 45,000 illegal immigrants crossed the channel in small boats, followed by some 30,000 in 2023. Most were allowed in with no criminal checks. Over 17,000 have gone missing. Foreign criminals and terrorists walk our streets. Record numbers of asylum claims have been granted, increasing the magnet factor to the UK. Labour and the Tories will never control our borders.
The British people have been lied to, ignored and betrayed.


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Erm, he's managed to turn around the electoral fortunes of the Labour party in a relatively short period, so he can't be doing too much wrong leadership-wise. And before anybody says 'he got lucky', yes, maybe in some senses, but Labour has never in it's history just 'got lucky' in an election and won. They have always had to win over a public brain washed by a right-wing influenced media. They should have won in 1992 and 2015 (not to mention 2017) when the governments of the day were incredibly unpopular, but yet they didn't.

And labour governments have a tendency to under-promise and over deliver (the opposite of the Tories, who get away with it time and again). Blair went into 1997 with fairly modest pledges, and went way beyond them in terms of reducing child poverty etc. etc. I thought this was an interesting thread on Twitter making a similar point about the 1966 Labour election manifesto:

https://x.com/mrjohnofarrell/status/1801210257701581218

We should not lose sight of the fact that the Tories need to be obliterated, with the Lib Dems becoming the opposition if possible :)
Well, Chippy answered for me with the pig analogy, I was going to say drovers dog.
As for Blair, the world was in a good place during those years he was in power, exceeding Blair by one year was our conservative PM John Howard and we even managed to get the country into the black. Everyone was making money as it was flowing like water, the problem was, it was all borrowed money hence the financial crisis of 2008.
Apart from Starmer coming across as a dullard, I wouldn't know which way he was likely to swing a few years ago he was hard left and now professes to be a right-wing socialist.
 
Some members have been very vocal about Nigel's views on immigration so i posted this earlier which shows the figures and no one has replied, do members agree that we have to do something about immigration we cannot carry on letting 1,250,000 in every year how can we take in the predicted 14 million over the next 15 years?
And are we going to swallow any old number plucked or of the air by this rattlesnake?
Many hundreds of thousands also left the UK. The figure you need to look at is net migration.
I'm sure some would want us to believe most of these arrived in boats, and are drug dealers and terrorists. (in 2022, 45K arrived by boat, a record! But a long way from 1.2 million). The overwhelming majority were granted visas by the Home Office. Many of them were recruited overseas. The figure even includes Bits returning from living overseas. A very significant proportion is overseas students. They pay a small fortune for the privilege and then go home. Our universities will collapse without them.
We stopped free movement of Europeans so we now attract non-european workers; even more so when things started getting back to normal after Covid.

So why are we granting so many visas? Why are we recruiting overseas? These are the questions you need to be asking rather than latching onto unqualified figures thrown to you by some swivel-eyed nut job coming out of the Enoch Powell scool of politics.

I said in an earlier post in this thread that, in my opinion, Brexit was 100% about zenophobia. I see nothing in the swing to Reform that zenophobia is not still alive and well.
 
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So let's get to this.
No essential immigration.
Entirely in the hands of the Home Office who issues the visas. Immigration is a hot potato politically so can we assume that these visas are indeed "necessary"

Stop the boats. Yes. Good idea. Don't listen to Farridge talking about international treaties. If we could just send them back to France, why aren't we doing so? There was an agreement, but it expired with Brexit.

Secure detention. Why not process them like any other country. We don't. So some flee, most cost us a fortune to keep in 4th-rate accommodation. Process them, let those who should, work and pay taxes and deport those who shouldn't be here. Just like every other country does.

Foreign criminals: are the many of these? Don't we do this already? if not, why not?

Student Dependents: What sort of students are bringing dependents? Are they a problem? Don't they go back when their visas expire or can visa extensions not be declined? What fake courses (examples please).? What abusive immigration schemes? What are they? How many use them? Why are we granting visas?

Illegal working: is this rife? Does it involve just immigrants or British workers as well? How are local wages undercut? Sounds like modern slavery schemes to me so if they're illegal, why aren't they closed down. Yes, let's have proper day's pay for a proper day's work. Let's pay £10 for our cabbages knowing they've been picked by well-paid English workers and are unsullied by foreign hands.


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. Everyone was making money as it was flowing like water, the problem was, it was all borrowed money hence the financial crisis of 2008.
The idea that the financial crisis was caused by borrowing is in a sense true, but it was borrowing in the form of sub prime mortgages being sold in the US. The government deficit under labour prior to the financial crisis was low by historical standards.

On your broader point, yes, the economy was in much better shape than today. But Labour made a series of choices the Tories never would have done, choices which put money in schools and hospitals. I am well aware that the challenges today are much greater today
 
Love or hate him Nigel Farrage has what the others lack, he is a compelling and convincing speaker. There is no one in any party who could come close to matching him. I am starting to believe he wants Labour to get in with a land slide leaving them wide open to in fighting and making a complete balls up of fixing the economy. I am glad I am here and not over there.
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The idea that the financial crisis was caused by borrowing is in a sense true, but it was borrowing in the form of sub prime mortgages being sold in the US. The government deficit under labour prior to the financial crisis was low by historical standards.

On your broader point, yes, the economy was in much better shape than today. But Labour made a series of choices the Tories never would have done, choices which put money in schools and hospitals. I am well aware that the challenges today are much greater today
It wasn't just that, I don't know about the UK but credit card debt in Australia was the highest it had ever been.
 
Bland and boring Brian just like the election in the UK, until Nigel threw his hat into the ring.
I was quite enjoying the election, even before Farrage announced his candidacy, but in fairness I am an politics nerd.

By the way, my name is Siobhan, Paul.
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