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Which party will you vote for

  • Labour

  • Conservative

  • Reform

  • Green

  • SNP

  • Lib Dem

  • Still on the fence.

  • Plaid cymru

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The Dublin Agreement ended when Brexit was fully enacted and no replacement was agreed.

The position is further exacerbated by the short sighted position that means you cannot apply for asylum unless you are physically in the UK, its utter madness we have no meaningful return agreements and this ridiculous policy

It's that inept you'd be inclined to think it was intended. This is the consequences of making drastic changes without considering the obvious implications. Project fear indeed.
 
I do not wish open old wounds but Brexit
Well I would. That's like saying "let sleeping dogs lie" over historic child abuse or wife battering.
My children and grandchildren have been abused: they can no longer freely work or study or live abroad, my (French) wife has been battered by idiotic zenophobes who after 42 years of working and paying taxes in England are more than happy to send her on her way.
You're too nice @old dog new tricks. You really don't understand the malice of Brexit.
 
I do not wish open old wounds but Brexit

I also dont want this thread to turn into another Brexit debate we have ahead a few and they always ended up in a flame war and either closed or removed altogether.

Non of the parties as far as i know has said they want to take us back in so can we leave it there and move on, thanks.
 
I also dont want this thread to turn into another Brexit debate we have ahead a few and they always ended up in a flame war and either closed or removed altogether.

Non of the parties as far as i know has said they want to take us back in so can we leave it there and move on, thanks.

SNP have, as have Plaid and The Greens. It's very much a part of the conversation of the general election whether or not you, or Labour and The Tories (and Reform for that matter) want to talk about it.
 
This thread will not turn into another Brexit debate the main parties are not talking about it and as far as i know it has has not been mentioned in the news or in the papers if you want to talk about Brexit again open your own thread!

New thread opened by Bosch -
https://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/threads/brexit-thread.105203/
 
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...o-lose-seat-tory-wipeout-major-poll-predicts/

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‘Stop the boats’, much like ‘get Brexit done’, is a simplistic popularist chant to appeal to people who like to sum up massively complex situations with three simple words.
Migrants arriving here via small blow-up boat are outnumbered 20:1 by people migrating here with a visa.
The issue with illegal migration is the lack of proper processing, this was a political decision by the Tories to create a divisive issue out of nothing.
Processed efficiently these people could be contributing to society by utilising their skills working and paying taxes and those whose claims are not founded could be legally returned without all the current nonsense. Instead they are left destitute and desperate with no hope in Travelodges up and down the country with us footing the bill. Even if the next government do manage to kick the home office into gear the damage that has been done to the mental and physical health of these people is immense.

All the fuss over around 30,000 people takes away the heat from those enabling the massive upwards wealth redistribution that’s happened over the last few decades, with the rich getting increasingly rich and the rest of us fighting over scraps.
 
All the fuss over around 30,000 people takes away the heat from those enabling the massive upwards wealth redistribution that’s happened over the last few decades, with the rich getting increasingly rich and the rest of us fighting over scraps.
That's how society works and has always worked, there will always be leaders and there will always be followers. It can't work any other way.
 
‘Stop the boats’, much like ‘get Brexit done’, is a simplistic popularist chant to appeal to people who like to sum up massively complex situations with three simple words.
Migrants arriving here via small blow-up boat are outnumbered 20:1 by people migrating here with a visa.
The issue with illegal migration is the lack of proper processing, this was a political decision by the Tories to create a divisive issue out of nothing.
Processed efficiently these people could be contributing to society by utilising their skills working and paying taxes and those whose claims are not founded could be legally returned without all the current nonsense. Instead they are left destitute and desperate with no hope in Travelodges up and down the country with us footing the bill. Even if the next government do manage to kick the home office into gear the damage that has been done to the mental and physical health of these people is immense.

All the fuss over around 30,000 people takes away the heat from those enabling the massive upwards wealth redistribution that’s happened over the last few decades, with the rich getting increasingly rich and the rest of us fighting over scraps.

Very well put my thoughts exactly this is situation created not sure if deliberately or just through sheer ignorance and ineptitude, but not just the Tory's but successive governments have driven down wages and morale across the entire civil service and now the cracks are showing.

The decision to remove all legal means of asylum from outside the UK created the rise in numbers, then the number and grade of civil servants was reduced to process applications, both lead back to very poor judgement by the government and failure to address the real underlying issues
 
A political correspondant has predicted if the polls are correct the result will be

512 seats Labour.

63 seats Conservative

Pains me to say this but this is not a true representation of public opinion, the Tory's should have more seats than this.

But that is the FPT system, who knows maybe even the Tory's will support PR nowif they get spanked into submission
 
‘Stop the boats’, much like ‘get Brexit done’, is a simplistic popularist chant to appeal to people who like to sum up massively complex situations with three simple words.
Migrants arriving here via small blow-up boat are outnumbered 20:1 by people migrating here with a visa.
The issue with illegal migration is the lack of proper processing, this was a political decision by the Tories to create a divisive issue out of nothing.
Processed efficiently these people could be contributing to society by utilising their skills working and paying taxes and those whose claims are not founded could be legally returned without all the current nonsense. Instead they are left destitute and desperate with no hope in Travelodges up and down the country with us footing the bill. Even if the next government do manage to kick the home office into gear the damage that has been done to the mental and physical health of these people is immense.

All the fuss over around 30,000 people takes away the heat from those enabling the massive upwards wealth redistribution that’s happened over the last few decades, with the rich getting increasingly rich and the rest of us fighting over scraps.
Spot on.
 
All the fuss over around 30,000 people takes away the heat from those enabling the massive upwards wealth redistribution that’s happened over the last few decades, with the rich getting increasingly rich and the rest of us fighting over scraps.

This x1000.

The very wealthy have more money than they can spend, so they buy assets. Houses, stocks etc. That then earns them money that they can spend on more assets. It prices out the poorest from asset owning at first, but as more things get hoovered up it squeezes out more and more people. It's modern feudalism, and needs to be discouraged, but the UK tax system currently encourages it:
  • A higher rate tax payer will pay nearly 50% income tax and national insurance on each extra pound they earn.
  • A wealthy person that owns many houses or shares will only pay 25% (or even 20%) capital gains tax, and that's only on the profit of the asset when it's sold.
The only way to discourage it is through a wealth tax on excess assets. Of course you exclude primary residence, pension etc because those aren't optional, and then you decrease income tax to better reward people for being productive.
 
It can't be right. Where;s the swathe of Reform wins that;s going to put our Nige in running for MP next time round?

:laugh8:
Who predicted they are going to win lots of seats they will get a lot of votes not seats.
They think Reform may get one or two seats not bad going for a new party.
 
That's how society works and has always worked, there will always be leaders and there will always be followers. It can't work any other way.
What if the leaders are thieves and crooks. Heard on the radio two Tories pulled for betting on the date of the election 😇
 
Spot on Rod

(i didn't see your post before adding this)

Summary

  • The Conservative Party's director of campaigning is being looked into over a bet relating to the timing of the general election along with his candidate wife
  • Tony Lee has taken a leave of absence and left the campaign on Wednesday, the BBC can reveal. His wife Laura Saunders, the party’s candidate in Bristol North West, has worked for the Tories since 2015
  • It is not known when the bet was placed or for how much money
  • A Tory spokesman said the party had been "contacted by the Gambling Commission about a small number of individuals"
  • Labour and the Lib Dems call for Saunders to be suspended, with Labour's campaign director writing to Rishi Sunak about the "growing scandal"
  • Later the BBC's Fiona Bruce will host the leaders from the four biggest political parties as they face off in a two-hour Question Time Leaders’ Special. You can follow that live here at 20:00 BST
 
Spot on rod i didn't see your post before adding this -
Another one bites the dust -Summary
  • The Conservative Party's director of campaigning is being looked into over a bet relating to the timing of the general election along with his candidate wife
  • Tony Lee has taken a leave of absence and left the campaign on Wednesday, the BBC can reveal. His wife Laura Saunders, the party’s candidate in Bristol North West, has worked for the Tories since 2015
  • It is not known when the bet was placed or for how much money
  • A Tory spokesman said the party had been "contacted by the Gambling Commission about a small number of individuals"
  • Labour and the Lib Dems call for Saunders to be suspended, with Labour's campaign director writing to Rishi Sunak about the "growing scandal"
  • Later the BBC's Fiona Bruce will host the leaders from the four biggest political parties as they face off in a two-hour Question Time Leaders’ Special. You can follow that live here at 20:00 BST
You couldn't make this **** up. It's not just another candidate. This time it's the guy who's actually running the whole goddamn [sh*t]show!!!
 
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