Come on Steve. That's all you have to say!? Come on. You got me into looking at my water. You're the king of that. I've had twang. I've never ever put sugar, of any kind in my brew. I've used 2 kits in my life. Twang. I've built complicated brewing systems. Twang. I've selected the best malts. Twang. Then some humble bloke by the name of STEVE gets us to think water. I fix up the water... beer gods have come! At least kill the chlorine. Campden tablet. Must. Throw some calcium in, getting better. Follow Steven's water thread, heaven.