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So you weren't implying the ones that are not honest are dishonest FFS stop digging!
The phrase I used was ““… honest and hard working.”

So, using your own rationale, may I assume that you are now saying that all Tory MP’s who are “honest” are not “hard working”?

I suggest that it is yourself who should stop digging and take regard of the sentence I quoted from Hamlet.
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The phrase I used was ““… honest and hard working.”

So again I ask does that mean you are implying the ones that are not honest and hard working are dishonest and lazy and are predominantly on the conservative side of the house?
 
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I decided that enough was enough so please check out the following two sites:

“10 Tory MPs who have disgraced themselves in Boris Johnson's government”

10 Tory MPs who have disgraced themselves in Boris Johnson's government


“List of political scandals in the United Kingdom”

List of political scandals in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia


I particularly remember Jonathan Aitken and his “sword of truth”! On this particular occasion a Tory had a Government Department fight his case …


… but to no avail!

Aitken jailed for 18 months | Politics | The Guardian

A true blue Tory - very similar to Jeffrey Archer and Boris was our Jonathan!
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I decided that enough was enough so please check out the following two sites
No one said the tories were perfect but you implied the ones that are not honest and hard working are dishonest and lazy and are predominantly on the conservative side of the house which is obviously a biased view of reality.

You are obviously not going to admit that it is what you meant even though its blatantly obvious that is exactly what you meant.
 

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you implied the ones that are not honest and hard working are dishonest and lazy
I can't make head nor tail of the thrust of this argument isn't the second part necessarily true of the first?
and are predominantly on the conservative side of the house which is obviously a biased view of reality.
It's only a biased view if it's untue. How do we establish whether or not it's true. Then there's the problem of guessing what the key word predominantly means here. Of all the dishonest and lazy MPs in the house, are they predominantly on the conservative side. OR does laziness and dishonesty predominate among the tories, and it is equally dominant in the rest of the house?
 
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I decided that enough was enough so please check out the following two sites:

“10 Tory MPs who have disgraced themselves in Boris Johnson's government”

10 Tory MPs who have disgraced themselves in Boris Johnson's government


“List of political scandals in the United Kingdom”

List of political scandals in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia


I particularly remember Jonathan Aitken and his “sword of truth”! On this particular occasion a Tory had a Government Department fight his case …


… but to no avail!

Aitken jailed for 18 months | Politics | The Guardian

A true blue Tory - very similar to Jeffrey Archer and Boris was our Jonathan!
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You should also put up a list of the Labour MP's Tony Blair at the top, the 'shredding debacle' As Tony said to those who voted him into power, "Thanks guys I am now worth 40 million"
Doesn't matter who you vote for, be rest assured they are only looking out for number one. There are as many corrupt Labour MP's as Tory MP's. Doesn't matter who gets in its the same tish different day.
 

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Doesn't matter who you vote for, be rest assured they are only looking out for number one. There are as many corrupt Labour MP's as Tory MP's. Doesn't matter who gets in its the same tish different day.
Easily said and it has a ring of "wisdom" about it, but is it really the case. Is there something about Conservative ideology that is more open to corruption than some other parties. Is there more about conservatism that put "number one" first, while others might be more inclined to solidarity with one's fellow man/woman?
Sweeping statements don't really help unless they're true, but are they?
 
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Easily said and it has a ring of "wisdom" about it, but is it really the case. Is there something about Conservative ideology that is more open to corruption than some other parties. Is there more about conservatism that put "number one" first, while others might be more inclined to solidarity with one's fellow man/woman?
Sweeping statements don't really help unless they're true, but are they?
Seek and ye shall find, the parties are as corrupt as each other. Dutto likes to cherry pick the misdemeanors of the Tories. Since the winter of discontent nothing really changes which ever party is in. Though if Corbyn had gotten into power there would have been major changes. Its the same here, there is never any major changes made between which ever government is in power, apart from the borrowing. Labor wins that hands down.
 

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It's only a biased view if it's untue. How do we establish whether or not it's true

As no one can be bothered to search and post evidence Labour have been dishonest it's impossible to establish which are more honest
it's one persons opinion based on his dislike of the Tory party not on facts therefore biased.
 
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PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:


“List of political scandals in the United Kingdom”


List of political scandals in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

For anyone who accuses me of “Cherry Picking” it includes ALL political parties and ALL political scandals.

How is it “Cherry Picking” if members of the Conservative Party are in many of the scandals?
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As no one can be bothered to search and post evidence Labour have been dishonest it's impossible to establish which are more honest
it's one persons opinion based on his dislike of the Tory party not on facts therefore biased.

There's no evidence in this thread, but that doesn't mean the evidence isn't out there. In a representative democracy a citizen votes for the representative of the party who he/she believes best represents their interests. That's not bias. But dishonesty and corruption should never be part of the equation since this militates against democracy.
Saying that they're all the same and they are all equally dishonest and corrupt is a cop-out, leaving us only with tribalism and it's probably not true.
The present government (laughingly so called) is probably the most dishonest, corrupt, and incompetent in living memory NOT because they're tories, but because of the characters of the individuals who make it up.
We should all be biased against those wrongs which bring government and politics into disrepute. Its no good saying, "what about Blair, what about Corbin, what about Archer et al. These are not today's players and they will never represent us again.
The evidence suggests that the present Con Party is rotten to the core, totally incompetent and morally bankrupt. I can't find evidence on anything like the same scale for any of the other parties.
How is that bias?
 
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My goto authority, when I want to refresh my memory of what political parties are supposed to stand for is Andrew Heywood "Political Ideologies". Mine is the 5th ed, it's now in its 7th ed and the 6th edition is available to download for free on pdfdrive.com. Anyone with the leisure and inclination to read chapter 3 on conservatism will realise that the present Conservative party has little or nothing to do with classic conservatism, which, while I don't subscribe to its fundamental premises about human nature, is relatively paternalistic and benign. What we have now is the New Right, ushered in by Thatcher and taken to extremes by the present lot. My conclusion is that they shouldn't even be calling themselves Conservatives.
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We will always have political corruption as long as we have an honors system that allows politicians to reward people who donate large amounts of money or newspaper owners that support a party, sometimes by outright lying, receiving awards that can go as high as a seat in the house of lords.
 
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