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The care and selfless dedication nurses have shown during the Covid crisis deserves more than a 1% pay increase
Properly reward "our heroes"
While i agree the nurses deserve a pay rise i will not be signing any petition the reason being my wife has worked in a council run care home in a special dementia care unit throughout this and they had several of the people they look after die of Covid and some staff also got it though thankfully non died, they haven't had an above cost of living rise in years why should nurses get 12% the unions are calling for TBH i have grown tired of hearing the nurses were the heroes through the pandemic (clap the nurses etc) many people have had to go to work throughout this and no one ever mentions them.

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While i agree the nurses deserve a pay rise i will not be signing any petition the reason being my wife has worked in a council run care home in a special dementia care unit throughout this and they had several of the people they look after die of Covid and some staff also got it though thankfully non died, they haven't had an above cost of living rise in years why should nurses get 12% the unions are calling for TBH i have grown tired of hearing the nurses were the heroes through the pandemic (clap the nurses etc) many people have had to go to work throughout this and no one ever mentions them.

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I am a director of an organisation that employs over 700 social care staff - supporting people with learning and mental health issues

Social care staff are so undervalued - both monetarily and from a public perception point of view - their roles are seen as low skilled, but they are anything but

Who fundamentally sets their wage leve? - Local Authorities who pay for their care. LAs will use this 1% pay rise as the benchmark for what uplift they will give to care providers to pay wages.

1% for NHS nurses will mean 1% (max) for care staff
 

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Nurses are not underpaid. No way could the vast majority of them get anything like their T's & C's anywhere else. The myth of relative poverty ceased to have any form of truth decades ago. Get real. Very few will see any increase in their prosperity for the foreseeable future. Not even amongst those that make an actual economic contribution.
 

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1% on top of already agreed pay rise, job security and a better pension than most. They all know the earning potential when they enter the industry and I doubt most do it for the money.

Sorry, I will not be jumping on this bandwagon.
 

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Nurses are not underpaid. No way could the vast majority of them get anything like their T's & C's anywhere else. The myth of relative poverty ceased to have any form of truth decades ago. Get real. Very few will see any increase in their prosperity for the foreseeable future. Not even amongst those that make an actual economic contribution.
Unfortunately the recruitment crisis across the NHS would suggest otherwise. Nursing and medical staff are in short supply and posts remain vacant across the country in all regions and in all disciplines. That won’t change because the work is hard and the pay is sh1t3.

Ive seen first hand the effect that a decade of pay freezes, combined with the real erosion of services that year on year underinvestment from successive governments, Tory and Labour, has caused. And it hasn’t been change for the better.
 

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Unfortunately the recruitment crisis across the NHS would suggest otherwise. Nursing and medical staff are in short supply and posts remain vacant across the country in all regions and in all disciplines. That won’t change because the work is hard and the pay is sh1t3.

Ive seen first hand the effect that a decade of pay freezes, combined with the real erosion of services that year on year underinvestment from successive governments, Tory and Labour, has caused. And it hasn’t been change for the better.
The "shortage" of nurses has one and only one root cause. The NHS Trusts see their priorities thus:
  • Career paths for nurses into management roles they are not equipped to perform in
  • Longevity of existence long beyond any fruitful or meaningful life
  • Meeting the ever changing increasingly meaningless targets set by transient politicians
  • The actual health of the ever diminishing proportion of actually productive members of society
The Health Service's actual role thus comes an ever distancing goal, not helped by the BMA's insistence that no more than an insufficient number of British Doctors are ever trained, in order to protect their members' financial interests.

Too many nurses do no nursing. They get paid even more to add nothing.
 

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I totally agree with each of your four points, and I actually agree with your final sentence(s). I’d happily scratch a huge number of ‘advanced nursing roles‘ from the service. But the discussion here is about the other 90% who do a sh1t job for s1ht pay and do it because they care.
 

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I totally agree with each of your four points, and I actually agree with your final sentence(s). I’d happily scratch a huge number of ‘advanced nursing roles‘ from the service. But the discussion here is about the other 90% who do a sh1t job for s1ht pay and do it because they care.
Maybe they don’t consider it a sh1t job and enjoy it, they may well love their jobs, not everybody looks at life through your eyes?
How many jobs out there pay £34,000 a year with excellent job security, extensive sick pay, maternity leave, good pension?
They deserve all of it but this 1% pay rise business is just to get the low information masses riled!
 

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Everyone deserves a pay raise alongside inflation. I bet the mp's will get one. I believe police have had a pay freeze.
 

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Whilst I recognise a proportion of NHS staff (not just nurses) have had an exceptionally tough year, it feels to me quite insensitive to justify arguing a significant increase when a decent proportion of the private sector have either lost their employment or had their income significantly reduced. Yes, there are obviously exceptions (and certainly gross exceptions who have profited from C-19 through cronyism etc, but thats another thread), but a lot of ordinary working folk would bite your hand off for their pre-covid wage of 2019, let alone an increase.

Having had a couple of experiences with the NHS in the past year, I would suggest there would be more money available if it wasnt for the sheer amount of waste and mis-management that goes on. Dont hear our union chums stomping their feet and trying to highlight and improve that?
 

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The moral of the story here is to join a union. People moan about the pay and conditions of other people without realising that for the most part, unions have obtained good pay and conditions for their members. It is not necessarily the job of unions to point out mus-managrment in the private sector.
 
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