Scrapping HS2 Leeds extension 'undermines' levelling up

[Chippy_Tea]

I always say discussing politics with Beer, Wine etc Should be banned I witnessed many inebriated people kick off over a difference in political outlook.

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We don't do heavy handed moderation here what we do do is not let the minority spoil it for the majority.





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[Galena]

@Chippy_Tea I could be wrong but I don't think @Andrew Booth meant anyone discussing it on this forum should be banned, but having a conversation involving politics whilst partaking of alcohol is not a good idea. Personally I always avoid it and religion as well. Visits to Ireland back in the seventies taught me to be careful what I involve myself in whilst in a pub.

 

[Andrew Booth]

It was not aimed at anyone on this forum just a general observation that alcohol and politics and indeed religion should be avoided in inebriated circumstances. My logic this is a homebrew forum….

 

[EsterBanana]

I actually take a lot of pride in being able to have discussions with people about anything, so long as they are not being disingenuous, that's the only rule! Other than that I love hearing different opinions, expressed well, and really enjoy making good arguments and hearing good arguments (not fights) in return!

Why? I believe that while the system is set up to divide us, and they really do have it down to a fine art... the reality is that most of us agree on all the big stuff and we just muddle along in this political fugue state! If we can snap our selves out of the bipolar thinking that politics encourages, we the people, united, would be unstoppable!

 

[Irishwizard]

Great post Mr 'Nanna - I think these issues are so complicated and deep that its almost impossible to discuss them in a a way that makes a convincing argument either way. You would really need to enrol "real experts" in their field and not just have bar room discussion, which is often politically motivated and not based on fact drawn on proper research. I cant be arsed to become a key board warrior just to express my views, though I spend far too much time listening to the like of Jeff Marshall and various construction companies etc - Ive run out of steam!

 

[jof]

Going back to politics, it doesn't matter what side you support, it's not healthy to have one party in power too long.
It keeps the prevailing party (currently appears to be the blue team) on their toes if they get booted out for a term.

If the other parties cooperated so each area had a Tory & single non Tory candidate me might see a change. But there is no way that's going to happen.

 

[EsterBanana]

Great post Mr 'Nanna - I think these issues are so complicated and deep that its almost impossible to discuss them in a a way that makes a convincing argument either way. You would really need to enrol "real experts" in their field and not just have bar room discussion, which is often politically motivated and not based on fact drawn on proper research. I cant be arsed to become a key board warrior just to express my views, though I spend far too much time listening to the like of Jeff Marshall and various construction companies etc - Ive run out of steam!

I understand! I am lucky, I am very quick at typing, I use a full keyboard (I never use my phone for this stuff - that's a recipe for disaster) I am also more than willing to admit when I am wrong and laugh at myself when I am... people are *too* serious sometimes, which okay, sometimes we discuss serious things, but ultimately, most of us are in the same boat and any delusions we might have of higher standing than those around us turn to dust when reality hits, which you have to admit, is pretty funny!

I have learned a great deal from this topic, I posted a few questions which were challenging and good folk came back and challenged me back in a realy good way - that's a discussion worth having in my book!

For the record, I am more open to EVs now than when I first entered this discussion - so cheers everyone

And just when I thought I had a handle on everything I realise this isn't the EV thread at all... oh my

I remain to be convinced that the HS2 is a good idea!!!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

@Chippy_Tea I could be wrong but I don't think @Andrew Booth meant anyone discussing it on this forum should be banned, but having a conversation involving politics whilst partaking of alcohol is not a good idea.

I never took it that way Galena that's why i posted -

there is no reason to ban threads just because they may become a problem at some time in the future.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

My logic this is a homebrew forum….

This is pointed out regularly and the answer is always the same -

The snug description from the index page is below and it states This is the place for all non brewing chat we do not ban any topic unless its against the rules its not our place to tell forum members what they can and cannot post if it is within the rules its fine.

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[Chippy_Tea]

 

[EsterBanana]

Another typical day in sToryland then!!

Some people are incapable of honest argument and discussion, they twist things around and manipulate the narrative to make it look like you are the one who is being unreasonable. I tend to find that it is people who vote conservative who do this, not all conservative voters do this, but a significant proportion of people who do this vote conservative. The 'new labour' infiltrators do it too.

They seem to suffer from the same mental deficit that stops them from acting honourably in a discussion, specifically, they either attack the person not the position (ad hominem), or a position that is not the position of the person they are attacking (straw man).

It's a profound weakness of character that stems from a total lack of moral backbone and a desire to always be right even when they are clearly wrong.

I honestly think that they can't even recognise what they are doing and how pathetic it makes them look, pitiful really.

 

[johncrobinson]

Indeed, He is a local Mayor.Nothing more

But we need more like him.