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the baron

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I already answered a post where I asked the question should we have ID cards. Clint did answer it so sorry but thought it would be better as a stand alone post. So should we?
 

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I have to carry my CPC card at all times during work hours (£1000 fine if the minestry check and you don't have it) so I don't see any negatives in carrying ID cards.
 

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Being able to walk anywhere without ID is a great freedom. I'd hate to lose it. Very few countries allow it. It was accepted in time of war but quickly abolished in peacetime.

I think the question would have been better phrased as, "should we have to carry ID at all times." We all have some ID in the form of a driver's licence or bank cards. But it should not be an offence to be without.
 
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From the age of 12 or so: yes. And a fine when not in possession, depending on the age (12-14: low fine, 15-17: medium fine, 18 and up: same fine as when having no drivers license when driving anyway).
Bank cards have no photos, so no ID.

Addendum: that would be €104 here in the NLs, so about €25 for kids and €50 for adolescents.
 
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From the age of 12 or so: yes. And a fine when not in possession, depending on the age (12-14: low fine, 15-17: medium fine, 18 and up: same fine as when having no drivers license when driving anyway).
Bank cards have no photos, so no ID.

Addendum: that would be €104 here in the NLs, so about €25 for kids and €50 for adolescents.
I agree with kelper on this one. We should all have to have one, but not necessarily have to carry it all the time. If I get stopped (in the UK) for having a brake light out, for example, I have to take my papers to the police station within 24 hrs. that seems fair enough. More to the point is the residency card for foreign nationals who are legitimately looking for a job or accommodation.
 

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Not strictly, no.

https://www.gov.uk/legal-obligations-drivers-riders

But that used to be different in 1999.

Drivers in the U. K (as far as I kmow) have never been leally required to carry their driving licences at all times.


Showing your driving documents
If a police officer asks you to, you must be able to show:

  • your driving licence
  • a valid insurance certificate
  • a valid MOT certificate (if your vehicle needs one)
If you don’t have the documents with you at the time, you may be asked to take them to a police station within 7 days.

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It may not be great for civil liberties but would help with many things such as purchasing alcohol, sharp implements and other restricted goods also save police time as how many times on these police programs do we see people wasting police time by not giving correct names and addresses. I too have no problem as I have nothing to hide. I guess some people will object on civil liberty grounds but the majority of objectors I would think have something to hide or think they may have in the future. Going on to the next stage what about a DNA record?
 

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It may not be great for civil liberties but would help with many things such as purchasing alcohol, sharp implements and other restricted goods also save police time as how many times on these police programs do we see people wasting police time by not giving correct names and addresses. I too have no problem as I have nothing to hide. I guess some people will object on civil liberty grounds but the majority of objectors I would think have something to hide or think they may have in the future. Going on to the next stage what about a DNA record?
I've no problems with an ID card but DNA record is a different matter. We're all aware of how tech companies (mis)use our data/personal information, they'd only do it with that too.
 

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I've no problems with an ID card but DNA record is a different matter. We're all aware of how tech companies (mis)use our data/personal information, they'd only do it with that too.
I would only agree to this for the police authority to be able to access this info only as if it does get into the tech sector it could definitely be mis-used. Only thinking of all the unsolved crimes that could help the police and therefore make them more efficient
 

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I think ID cards would be a gross infringement of my rights, and an unacceptable shift of power from the individual to the state.

I would refuse to carry one, and would regard any state action to force me to carry one as an illegitimate aggression by the state.

So, forum friend's, what punishment are your going to meter out to me and my family?
 

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I agree with all above except dna for reasons MyQul quoted, could they do one with a finger print on it just a ?
 

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I think ID cards would be a gross infringement of my rights, and an unacceptable shift of power from the individual to the state.

I would refuse to carry one, and would regard any state action to force me to carry one as an illegitimate aggression by the state.

So, forum friend's, what punishment are your going to meter out to me and my family?
Off to the tower you naughty boy how very dare you :laugh8:
 

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I think ID cards would be a gross infringement of my rights, and an unacceptable shift of power from the individual to the state.

I would refuse to carry one, and would regard any state action to force me to carry one as an illegitimate aggression by the state.

So, forum friend's, what punishment are your going to meter out to me and my family?
You would be barred from homebrewing and made to drink canned Fosters and Boddingtons for eternal life
 
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