so who gets gout..

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  1. Dec 1, 2019 #41

    johncrobinson

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    Seems to be my big toe
    Its a realy odd sort of pain not like "normal" pain.
    Trouble is alsch890 your list completly describes my diet.!!!!!!

    But to be honest the vast bulk of my pain is a result of being run over by a car resulting in top and bottom spinal damage,siatica, ect,ect.I now need sticks to walk.
     
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    To be fair, if I ever get gout, I’ll just stop drinking. As much as I enjoy beer and wine, I prefer the absence of pain!
     
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    I found the main source of mine was lager and for a couple of years i haven't had any flare up, my recent one was vert mild so i am not sure what caused it.

    Its not just drink that causes it so if you did get it you may find its something you eat not drink.



    Dietary Management of Gout

    https://www.arthritis.org/living-wi...s/expert-q-a/gout-questions/food-for-gout.php


    The primary dietary modification traditionally recommended is a low-purine diet. Avoiding purines completely is impossible, but strive to limit them. People with gout should learn by trial and error what their personal limit is and which foods cause problems.

    Laura Rall, PhD, nutrition researcher at Tufts University in Boston, says, "Begin by eliminating foods in the 'high-purine' category while reducing your intake of foods in the 'moderate-purine' category. If you don't have gout attacks after trying this, you may add more foods from the 'moderate' category or occasionally try a food from the 'high' category. Using these guidelines, you may be able to determine a safe level of purine consumption and enjoy some of your favourite foods without experiencing attacks."

    High-Purine Foods Include:
    • Alcoholic beverages (all types)
    • Some fish, seafood and shellfish, including anchovies, sardines, herring, mussels, codfish, scallops, trout and haddock
    • Some meats, such as bacon, turkey, veal, venison and organ meats like liver
    • Moderate Purine Foods Include:
    • Meats, such as beef, chicken, duck, pork and ham
    • Shellfish, such as crab, lobster, oysters and shrimp
     
  4. Dec 1, 2019 #44

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    T'other way 'bout, too.
     
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    Very sorry to hear members suffering for their art. I hope you find the solution that works for you.
    As someone who wants to avoid the problem in the first place this information is very good. Thank you.

    Does it all boil down to how efficient your kidneys are? Therefore anything that will improve kidney function should help. Certainly cranberry juice is recommended for kidney problems.
    If it used to be a symptom of rich living, that would signify that it is the high protein diet as only the rich could afford a high meat diet, and nearly everyone drank ale. Are there any vegans who suffer from gout?

    I am thinking it is as much dietary as alcohol related.
     
  6. Dec 1, 2019 #46

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    I don't think our kidney efficiency is the problem its having an unnaturally high level of uric acid meaning the kidneys cannot flush it out leading to a build up.


    The Role of Purines and Uric Acid

    Too much uric acid in your body causes gout. Most of your uric acid (about two-thirds) is produced by your body naturally. The rest comes from your diet, often in the form of purines. Purines are substances in animal and plant foods that your body converts to uric acid. If you can’t flush the uric acid out through your kidneys, it can build up in the bloodstream and be deposited as needle-shaped crystals in your joints. These crystals cause the severe inflammation and intense pain of a gout attack.

    People who follow even the strictest low-purine diet will reduce their uric acid levels by only a small amount. Larry Edwards, MD, vice chairman and professor, department of medicine at the University of Florida in Gainesville says, “You can lower your uric acid a little bit – by no more than 1 mg/dL – but that’s not going to get most people who have clinical symptoms of gout into the range that they’re going to stop having flares.”

    Have a look at this - https://www.arthritis.org/about-arthritis/types/gout/articles/purine-foods-gout-attack.php
     
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    Never been diagnosed with it but I suspect I get it. Tinned Mackeral is what does mine I know this cos I experimented it came when I ate it twice.
    Cherry tablets and lots of water to flush the acid out is what I did. Seemed to work been 2 years now without it.
     
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    Is anyone doing any serious studies on a permenent cure or pallitive medical treatment for this condition ??
    So that sufferers dont have to so restrict thier diets.?
     
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    There is medication - e.g. allopurinol - to reduce uric acid build up but it is much better to try to manage the symptoms through diet if you can than take medication long term. I've had probably half a dozen attacks, usually in BBQ season or at Christmas when I have overdone it. A couple of days of naproxen usually gets on top of it.
     
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    I used to get gout- like symptoms most summers, when I was working outside in high temperatures, and not drinking enough water.
    A venue manager, who also turned out to be a gout specialist, noticed me limping and gave me a bollocking for not drinking water, he'd never seen me with a bottle. I took his advice, started carrying a bottle with me and I've not had a serious flare-up since.
    If I start to feel an attack coming on, I drown myself with water and it's never (touch wood) developed into a full-blown misery since. And, believe me, it IS a misery...!!!
     
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    I suffered from gout for many years, but would never have chalked it up to over consumption of beer. I actually got my first bout on the job, working outdoors (forestry sector) during summer, not enough hydration. The books say it can last 7 days or so; yet I and a co-worker routinely were severely affected for 4 weeks at a time. The stories about cranberry/cherry juice are pretty much BS; might be a grain of truth to them, but essentially they are "old wives tales". Co-worker often got it bad, and it was usually triggered by seafood; another co-worker got gout when he ate chocolate. For me, spinach and deli meats seem to be triggers. One thing I have not seen mentioned in all the above posts is Colchicine. In the early days of my affliction the go to drug was Indomethicin, which helped control the pain and inflammation. Nowadays MDs don't want to prescribe it because it is considered dangerous to use! But if you feel - even think- you might be coming into a gout session, taking a dose of Colchicine will stop it in its tracks. But it has to be taken early, before the gout really manifests itself. Talk to your MD about it; it has been a life saver for me.
     
  12. Dec 11, 2019 at 6:59 AM #52

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    If I eat stuff to reduce my cholesterol it risks aggravating my gout. (Almost) everything in moderation then.

    My best mate almost died a few weeks ago from a massive heart attack. I've been having chest pains, which have been checked out and not thought to be heart related.

    Time to re-evaluate things, and reassess my profile of risks. My beer consumption has reduced to virtually zero. I think in winter I'll abstain entirely. In warmer days, and when I deserve it, I'll have the odd refresher, possibly.
     
  13. Dec 11, 2019 at 7:15 AM #53

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    Depends how you want to die, I don't want to end up in a nursing home slobbering, and not knowing what day it was, and who I am. I have thought about this a lot, give up the grog and end up as just mentioned or carry on regardless, I would hate to give up the grog and die of something else anyway. Sorry liver and kidneys we are going to keep on drinking till the end.
     
  14. Dec 11, 2019 at 10:07 AM #54

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    We all have to go in the end.
    My mate died of lung cancer this year
    After an initial wobbly he took the diagnosis on the chin

    I did say packing up smoking now would make no difference at all.
    He was an 80 a day man.
     
  15. Dec 11, 2019 at 2:58 PM #55

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    I get the existential inevitability of death.

    I don't suppose avoiding warnings would be much comfort to the family if I did peg it early.





    I dunno tho
     

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