St Peter's Cream Stout (slightly pimped) advice required.

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    Hi there,
    I am wondering if my FG will reduce more. I am hoping it will.
    So on Saturday 13th Nov I started the kit, and added a 454g tin of Lyons black treacle on the suggestion of my local HBS, and used M36 Liberty Bell yeast. SG 1.062.
    Put it in my newly made Fermenting Fridge at 20%.
    Took a reading on Wednesday 20th at 1.026, again today, Saturday 23rd and it is currently 1.024. 20191123_105952.jpg

    So I am wondering if this is likely to reduce further in the next few days?

    Overall, it looks amazing and taste very coffee and bitter. I am tasting a very slight Marmite flavour. Your thoughts are welcome.
    Thanks in advance!
     
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    Hi, this is very simalar to what I'm finding . I agree with the slight marmite taste. 450g of black treacle sounds pungent. I went for 500g LME, 1/4 cup of black treacle and kit yeast.

    How long did you ferment in the end?
     
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    Hi, I gave it 2 1/2 weeks in the fermenter in a 23° fridge. It didn't go further than 1.022, which I'm a little worried about.
    I've never used LME. Probably should do really.
     
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    I would be worried about making bottle boms.
    Have you been tempted to crack one open?
     
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    Not yet. Only 6 days. It won't taste that good and that'll p me off.
     
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    I'm thinking it tastes pretty good at 11 days. Will probably follow your lead and ferment for another 5 days. I'm tempted to pitch some more yeast. My starting sg predicted about 8.5% looking at about 4.5 at the moment.

    I don't think the short brew time will stop me sampling at christmas.
     
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    454 g of black treacle sounds a lot to me its gives a very strong taste. Hope it suits
     
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    I used the Mangrove Jack's initially. When it stopped I added the kit yeast, but it didn't really do much. It'll taste great by March I'm sure.
    But there's little likelihood I'll have any left by then.
     
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    It was the advice of the LHBS. Oh well, it'll give me an excuse to brew again!


    As if one was needed.
     
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    By March good luck with that.
    Did you rehydrate the yeast first?
     
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    Errr, no. Just sprinkled it on top.
     
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    The yeast might of not been to happy with the slightly hostile environment.
     
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    I added lactose. 2nd ferm on bourbon oak chips
     
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    Liking the idea of smoked chips.
    I'm with you on the lactose. Thou only added 250g. I think another 250g mine would taste like a pudding stout.
     
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    250gm spot on . I then added a 12 year old Bajan rum 500ml ! Soaking in that for 2 weeks was 100gm of raisins. 1 year on this is the most amazing tweak I have ever brewed. I have 5 bottles left if anyone wants a swap , pm me. Best reason / story etc.. will get the swap. Finished at 6% , also cold steeped 150gm of chocolate malt. Cold steeping is a great method btw.
     
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    It is unlikely that 'sprinkling' will have affected your beer. And there is nothing in there to cause a 'hostile environment'.
    However if it fizzled out at 1.022 it is quite likely that it has turned out sweet and there also is a danger that it could restart after bottling. If you have bottled all in glass (ie no PET bottles to monitor) you will have no idea how carbonation has progressed.
    I would leave it two weeks overall then put one in the fridge and then try it, opening cautiously, even outside unless you like stout posssibly painting the walls. If it's overcarbed you may then have a problem and will have to consider how to safely store the rest of your bottles and open them with care. If its not overcarbed I suggest you just leave it until say the end of January before you sample, when the flavours will have mellowed.
    And adding large quantities of black treacle (say more than 100g) should come with a health warning. You generally either like black treacle additions or you don't. I would be mightily peed off if someone had suggested I added it to a brew without warning me of the potential consequences and I subsequently found it had spoiled my beer. Having seen some of the recommendations that come out of LHBS that forumites tell us I sometimes wonder whether some of the people who run them have actually brewed any beer. In this case it's a premium kit why suggest it needed anything adding to it??
     
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    I am interested in making this using all grain, is it a milk stout? There is no mention of any lactose in the ingredients. Anyone got a recipe?
     

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