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It's already happening. Here, universal credit claims have gone through the roof, 1/2 million extra in the past week or so. I saw on the news people were number 'several thousand' in the queue when applying on the phone. In the US 3.3million unemployment claims since last week
Can only get worse, its going to be more worrying than the virus.

Eating veg and fruit covered in bats piss and s**t? Most illnesses are caused by bad food prep.
Wasn't SARS bats shitting into pig fodder, or was that Contagion, the movie.
 

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The governmemt were never going to please everyone with today's announcement. My wife falls outside the criteria, she hasn't been going for 13 months yet, although would have submitted her first accounts in April. No doubt she would have had to pay it back via tax and NI anyway. The benefits system seems a pointless exercise as well.
 

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Small employers in Australia employ the bulk of employees, there will be plenty of those employers not reopening. Thin end of the wedge.
iirc It's similar situation here, whereby small businesses employ the bulk of employees. Which also may not re-open
 

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Clap for carers at 20:00 hows about clap for all who are forced to go to work as their jobs are classed as essential, i would love to hide in my house with the family until this is over unfortunately i cannot as i am classed as providing an essential service.

Rant over.
I reckon a till worker could be one of the most dangerous in the country right now, on a side note, all Amazon workers in Dunfermline are getting an extra £2 quid per hour to risk their lives and keep on packaging, herded in like cattle with little or no distancing or hand sanitiser.
 

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I reckon a till worker could be one of the most dangerous in the country right now, on a side note, all Amazon workers in Dunfermline are getting an extra £2 quid per hour to risk their lives and keep on packaging, herded in like cattle with little or no distancing or hand sanitiser.
I think your right. I read about an italian till worker in the papers who caught c-19 from serving all those customers, and died
 

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I can see that the word 'economic' has confused you. It is not about personal wealth it is about the economic impact to the countries. There will be a lot of small to medium size businesses not reopening, unemployment is going to escalate, the more unemployed the less taxes paid in, therefore hospitals, welfare, infrastructure becomes a huge burden on the governments. The longer it goes on the longer the recovery, China is just starting to reopen businesses trouble the supply lines are blocked with companies they were supplying being closed.

As for being concerned about deaths, it's not just among family and friends as you are concerned about, it's across the board. Deaths are and will be inevitable, we can't do any more than what is being done. When virus like this comes around it will always be the aged and the sick will have the highest mortality rate.
As for the link I posted Brookings are re known for dealing in facts, that's why governments around the world listen to what they have to say, they have no political agenda.
As for worrying about money, I don't, I too have taken a huge hit to my super even though it is in a conservative account, but I understand the share market and know it will come back eventually, stronger than before it fell. If you are worried about having to delay your retirement now is the time to really get serious about your voluntary contributions into your super.
No not confused at all. Don't tell me what I'm thinking.

I know exactly how the economy works. But your original post said you were more concerned about the economy or something like that.
I can't be bothered to go back and check. Really if your post had said you were concerned about the economy I would have understood.
But being more concerned just highlights how you right wingers think. Everyone for themselves. Sod you Jack.

In other posts you've made statements about posters on this site being socialists as if we're all a bunch of communists.
I'd say the majority of people on this site are level headed and just want the best for the country.
Also a decent health service that is being funded properly. Help for the most vulnerable in society.
And the stopping of contracts and stuff given to the governments favourite donors.

Yes I understand the stock market too. That's why I sold some shares at $52 and some others at $50.
I then bought the same shares back at $46 & $47 last Friday.
However the people I work with jumped on the "Franking Credits Bandwagon" after SFM & Tim Wilson told them how great they were.
These are the people whinging. The people who voted for our government are now whinging against them.

No need to tell me what to do with my super either. I know what I'm doing.
 

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No not confused at all. Don't tell me what I'm thinking.

I know exactly how the economy works. But your original post said you were more concerned about the economy or something like that.
I can't be bothered to go back and check. Really if your post had said you were concerned about the economy I would have understood.
But being more concerned just highlights how you right wingers think. Everyone for themselves. Sod you Jack.


Yes I understand the stock market too. That's why I sold some shares at $52 and some others at $50.
I then bought the same shares back at $46 & $47 last Friday.
However the people I work with jumped on the "Franking Credits Bandwagon" after SFM & Tim Wilson told them how great they were.
These are the people whinging. The people who voted for our government are now whinging against them.

No need to tell me what to do with my super either. I know what I'm doing.
If you took that patch off and read the post properly here is what I said.

I'm still more concerned about the economic impact COVID-19 is going to have when it is finally over. The longer it goes on the worse it will be.

Everyone for themselves is a bit harsh, I am self funding my own retirement I don't want to accept government hand outs, if everyone did that it would make money more available to other parts of welfare and a public hospital system that works for every one. Not having to pay for surgery which is urgently needed.

More people working means more money in circulation, which in turn creates jobs and taxes for the government to spend where it needs
 

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I can see that the word 'economic' has confused you. It is not about personal wealth it is about the economic impact to the countries. There will be a lot of small to medium size businesses not reopening, unemployment is going to escalate, the more unemployed the less taxes paid in, therefore hospitals, welfare, infrastructure becomes a huge burden on the governments. The longer it goes on the longer the recovery, China is just starting to reopen businesses trouble the supply lines are blocked with companies they were supplying being closed.

As for being concerned about deaths, it's not just among family and friends as you are concerned about, it's across the board. Deaths are and will be inevitable, we can't do any more than what is being done. When virus like this comes around it will always be the aged and the sick will have the highest mortality rate.
As for the link I posted Brookings are re known for dealing in facts, that's why governments around the world listen to what they have to say, they have no political agenda.
As for worrying about money, I don't, I too have taken a huge hit to my super even though it is in a conservative account, but I understand the share market and know it will come back eventually, stronger than before it fell. If you are worried about having to delay your retirement now is the time to really get serious about your voluntary contributions into your super.
Nice one, Foxy, but I think the niceties of the Australian superannuation system is a bit beyond most mere mortals. But hasn't S M said that folk can dig into it up to 20K dollars? How's that going to work when it comes to retirement, I wonder.
 

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Nice one, Foxy, but I think the niceties of the Australian superannuation system is a bit beyond most mere mortals. But hasn't S M said that folk can dig into it up to 20K dollars? How's that going to work when it comes to retirement, I wonder.
People should avoid taking money out of their super unless they are in absolute dire straits, $20,000 taken out now could equate to $40,000 in 12 to 18 months time, now is the time to start putting money in.
 

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Can only get worse, its going to be more worrying than the virus.


Wasn't SARS bats shitting into pig fodder, or was that Contagion, the movie.
See, once again. The economy is more worrying than the virus to you.

Yes I know the economy is rooted, so yes I am concerned about it, but I'm also very concerned about the virus.
I'm an essential service so I'll be fine, but I'm very concerned about the vulnerable in society that won't be able to cope.
I probably worry too much about other people at times. Twice this week I've bought homeless people food.
The young lad had a dog so I bought him a couple of cans of dog food too.

And I've just spoken to the lady who runs a small printing company I do work for.
I told her to pay me when this is all over. Pay her permanent staff first. I hope her company survives.

In my view it's about time we did become a bit more socialist. Corbyn went too far I think.
We sort of need a half way approach. The Australian Labor party had some good ideas that needed tweaking.
Reigning in some of the tax loopholes that are currently available.
Also this business of giving contracts to their mates has to stop.

I can't remember exactly but Trump basically did away with heaps of agency's and departments that would have been dealing with this shitshow.
Then gave tax cuts to companies who used the money on share buy backs.
It's about time we all paid a little more tax and Global companies coughed up the right amount of tax.
Health and other services need to be funded properly.
The way it is now the rich are just getting richer and the poor are falling behind.
 

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Quote: Remember: everybody, sick or well, has to go to the supermarket where they splutter and fart, touch things and contaminate everything. The supermarket is about the most dangerous place in the world right now. Hope I don't have to go back for at least a fortnight.

Agreed, although there were a fair few staff in Asda Gorseinon who didn't get the message either. I don't believe the weak should perish, it's the stupid that should go!
 

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See, once again. The economy is more worrying than the virus to you.

Yes I know the economy is rooted, so yes I am concerned about it, but I'm also very concerned about the virus.
I'm an essential service so I'll be fine, but I'm very concerned about the vulnerable in society that won't be able to cope.
I probably worry too much about other people at times. Twice this week I've bought homeless people food.
The young lad had a dog so I bought him a couple of cans of dog food too.

In my view it's about time we did become a bit more socialist. Corbyn went too far I think.
We sort of need a half way approach. The Australian Labor party had some good ideas that needed tweaking.
Reigning in some of the tax loopholes that are currently available.
Also this business of giving contracts to their mates has to stop.

I can't remember exactly but Trump basically did away with heaps of agency's and departments that would have been dealing with this shitshow.
Then gave tax cuts to companies who used the money on share buy backs.
It's about time we all paid a little more tax and Global companies coughed up the right amount of tax.
Health and other services need to be funded properly.
The way it is now the rich are just getting richer and the poor are falling behind.
The economy is more worrying, as I said the deaths are inevitable no matter what we try and do to stop them. A recession or even worse a depression will cause more havoc than the virus. Governments aren't money trees they can't keep giving out money they haven't got.
 

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See, once again. The economy is more worrying than the virus to you
There's nothing left or right wing about the discussion being had at the moment about the effects on the world / local economy that virus mitigation efforts will have versus the deaths that will if they do. Recessions result in more *avoidable* deaths than growth periods. Not mitigating the virus result in more *also avoidable* deaths than taking mitigating measures.

Neither of those statements are remotely controversial or disputed by any reputable expert.

Would you fancy being in charge and making the call as to how much of one to do to avoid the other?

Let's all take a chill pill, gents. It's a stressful enough time as it is.

Thank goodness for alcohol. :beer1:
 

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Tbh watching the news the overriding concern is money, that is crystal clear.
What is most important to people always comes to the surface.
I would rather my family be safe and healthy even if it means I have to pay off my credit card for a few years than bang on about greed.
 

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One thing the rich should learn from this is, that protection bubble money affords them no longer exists a virus doesn't care who it gets, Richard Branson last year sued the nhs now he's asking for a 7.5 billion bailout, its a feckin virus Dicky people matter more than money
 

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I always worry when any Government decides to change the way they measure something!

In all my born days I have never seen any Government make changes that has shown them in a worse light than before. As an example when the UK Government decided to change how they measured the number of "unemployed" people the numbers dropped massively.

I fear that they have made the current changes to the "Death Rate" from Covid-19 to be a similar exercise; and one that should be deplored!
 
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