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    Without wishing to sound obtuse, I said the technology is agnostic. It can be deployed anywhere. How it is deployed will obviously form part of the trade negotiations between the EU and the UK. But there aren't going to be border posts between the north and south.
     
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    I am sure Arlene Foster and the DUP will be totally on board with smart technology.

    Looking forward to their reaction
     
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    Obviously, I can't speak for the DUP, but all of the statements I have read from them are in opposition to physical checks at the border (command posts, etc, the so called 'hard border') rather than the various soft options. But as you say, we shall have to wait and see what form the negotiations take after we have left at the end of Jan and the trade talks begin.
     
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    What technology. I thought it hadnt even been invented yet. Or am i wrong?
     
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    Your not wrong no one has presented a working idea or plan. They winged it saying we will sort that wee bit at the end
     
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    Alot depends on what our future EU agreement looks like, its possible that a future trade/customs deal & movement of people deal could mean there is no need for a hard border or its a soft kind of hard border ie quite free flowing with no passport checks but random stops of anything suspicious. I won't happen but it (in my mind and i'm likely missing something) could make sense for Ireland to leave the customs/trade part of the EU and join the UK in a free trade/customs deal.
     
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    This is obviously high level stuff, a sales pitch if you like from a supplier, but outlines where the world is technology wise. The solutions certainly exist from a technical point of view, and are in use elsewhere. Of course, the political discourse has to follow.
     
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    @samale Yes, I thought that' the problem May had when trying to negotiate her WA. Because of her red lines, she'd boxed herself into a corner and was coming up with all kind of cunning wheezes, such as a 'technological solution' but the EU just said, 'Nothings been invented yet so it's a non starter'
     
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    Glad thats sorted out.
    We'll stick robots and drones on the border.

    In the meantime the Republic of Ireland can join a UK only trade bloc.

    You sure you guys aren't part of the Brexit negotiation team.
     
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    Tell me your joking
     
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    In that article it says " the new prime minister has doubled down on promises he will dump the notorious irish backstop" But in the end BJ decided to chuck the DUP under the bus instead to get his WA from the EU. Possibly easier to sacrifice the DUP than use a yet to be invented technology?
     
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    Aah Brexit.
    The epitome of one of Abraham Lincoln's more famous quotes.
     
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    Even if technology exists, it would heavy rely on IT systems. Those kind of system take years to implement. From previous experience our Gov wasn't that great with implementing new IT systems.
     
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    I take it you're talking about the one about fooling people?
     
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    I'm not sure it accurate to describe technology that is already in use elsewhere as 'yet to be invented'! wink...
     
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    All due respect, the article is from the Spectator and is a bit biased.
     
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    Being the luddite I am, I'm defiantely not an expert on technology. The article you linked makes it clear there are technologies being used for borders around the world, but what the article doesn't seem to make clear is why cant it be transferred wholesale to the Irish border. So thing aren't as easy as the article seems to make out. Whatever the exact problem is, I imagine this is where something new needs to be invented
     
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    Sure, sure - but as far as the technology goes, it does exist, and is in use in other places. So what it takes now is political will. The political reality now is that the UK is leaving, so perhaps common sense will prevail and a soft, mostly frictionless border will be worked out.
     
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    Personally I think Brexit is a poisoned chalice and in the future it will become known as, "the graveyard of Prime Ministers" (it's already devoured two and I sure it wont be long until BJ is fed into its maw)
     
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