Yeah i know mate. If they closed half the shops in this city would be empty. My local used to give me free booze, good people. Obviously i don't buy beer anymore though. :) My Mrs does the kneading, i do the No Knead. I actually prefer is as its lighter consistency to the stuff she makes. Do you think the Yeast cake from a Stout is suitable or an IPA? Don't really want hoppy bread.