When to add sugar?

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Galena

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When a recipe lists sugar along with malts in an AG recipe, should it be added with the mash or the boil?
 

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Yes, during the boil, usually towards the end. It needs long enough to fully dissolve before the wort is cooled, which isn't very long at all. Brewed an old ale last week which called for 650g of corn sugar (i.e. dextrose or brewing sugar). It was added for the last 5 mins of the boil.
 

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@strange-steve @BlackRegent Thanks, it was for a Wheeler recipe, having re-read a section of the book he says at 30, which is where I added, but I can't see as it needs that long.
 

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Not sure why Wheeler might suggest 30. He talks enough about hop utilisation. If you add the sugar early, surely you'd get lower hop utilisation due to the higher gravity wort?

I wonder if it's a technique to compensate for not having invert sugar. If added earlier in the boil with longer exposure to a lower pH, does that have some affect on the sugar that is the equivalent of using invert sugar?
 

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Not sure why Wheeler might suggest 30. He talks enough about hop utilisation. If you add the sugar early, surely you'd get lower hop utilisation due to the higher gravity wort?

I wonder if it's a technique to compensate for not having invert sugar. If added earlier in the boil with longer exposure to a lower pH, does that have some affect on the sugar that is the equivalent of using invert sugar?
He just says that ordinary cane sugar can be freely substituted for invert sugar for the recipes in the book
 

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If added earlier in the boil with longer exposure to a lower pH, does that have some affect on the sugar that is the equivalent of using invert sugar?
Somebody asked me that a while ago and I thought - oOooooo, does that mean my experiment is invalid.

On a BeerSmith podcast one brewer was saying that they had to balance invert sugar with more hops because it's slightly sweeter than sucrose. I was like Well I'd have never have guessed that, Sandra. They didn't say by how much - guessing it's pretty meagre.
 
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