Which of these hops is the one I should avoid?

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  1. Aug 15, 2019 #1

    Norse John

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    I had an Abbot's ale, and hit on the hop taste I really dislike. In an abbot ale clone recipe online I see 3 hops being used - Whole gold, Fuggles and Challenger. The taste I dislike is the one where it tastes like you're eating flowers raw. I noticed the same taste from Ritchie's Gluten free ale kit and ended up chucking out the last few litres because I couldn't stand whichever hop causes this floral, astringent taste.

    Anyone have any idea of which one it is, and which other ales use it?
     
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    If it's a grassy taste I would say fuggles
     
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    well it will not be challenger as that will generally be used as a bittering hop, fuggles is earthy my guess would be goldings but that is just a quick guess
     
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    Hi John

    Was this Abbot Ale from a bottle or in a pub?

    I ask because "floral, astringent taste" sounds more like the flavours of beer lines cleaned with cheap detergent and not rinsed sufficiently, more than any of the flavours from Fuggle (earthy), Challenger (herbal, I find minty) or First Gold (citrus, mostly orangey/marmalade) :?:

    Cheers, PhilB
     
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    Just because the Abbott HB clone listed Challenger, 'Whole Gold' i.e probably First Gold and Fuggles doesn't necessarily mean the commercial brewer uses the same hops.
    I suggest you look through these typical references and see which best fits the flavours you don't like and then avoid that hop or hops.
    http://www.thestoutpalace.com/hops/
    https://www.morebeer.com/articles/homebrew_beer_hops
    and Crossmyloof who supply folks on our forum
    https://www.crossmyloofbrew.co.uk/hop-guide
    And be aware that some hops are primarily used for bittering, others dual purpose and others just late or aroma hops the latter two being more responsible for hop taste and/or aroma.
    Of all the hops I have used I find Styrian Goldings/Celeia the most flowery but I dont dislike it.
     
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    Hi Phil, it was bottled. Must be another hop then not listed. But Now that I google it, the site I've looked at lists fuggles as having a floral taste, sounds like it could be that. Ever since I made the Ritchie's gluten free beer I seem to be very sensitive to that particular taste, which when the brew was young was OK, now it just irritates my tastebuds and gut. Reminds me of living briefly in Australia, not for the taste reason, but I knew after I'd had a draft schooner or jug, I'd be on the bog in 10 minutes. Just something not right for me about it.
     
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    Hi John

    That's the thing about taste, I suppose ... it's, well, "a matter of taste" :?:... we each taste flavours differently ... in the cooking world no recipe book will ever have described the flavours of fresh coriander leaves as "soapy", but apparently that's how a significant proportion of humans experience it :?: ... and back in the brewing world, none of the hop profile websites describe Nelson Sauvin hops as tasting of burnt rubber but that's how my taste-buds experience it :?:

    I guess, the point is all the descriptions are just what those people who wrote the description experience ... in my experience, I've never tasted floral flavours from Fuggles though ... to be sure you're going to have to do the research yourself ... it's tough work but I reckon you're the man for the job wink... ... you're going to have to find and drink beers with those hops ... if you were further up North I'd suggest Black Sheep Best Bitter as a good example tasting of Fuggles, but it's rarely in bottles/cans (Black Sheep Ale is different, that's Goldings) so unless you can find somewhere that has it on cask you might have to find another beer with those flavours :?:

    Cheers, PhilB
     
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    Hi Phil,

    I agree with you completely, each to their own - and you can never truly experience something from the perspective of another unless you live in that person's skin.

    I will have to research things as you suggest, there'll be an obtainable beer from somewhere, even this far down saff :).
     
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    Class reply Phil
     

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