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dps51 · Mar 26, 2017

just wondering I know you can reuse the spent grain and reuse the yeast
can you reuse the hops its just I like to reuse where I can to cut down on cost

HopHead420 · Mar 26, 2017

You can't really reuse spent grain for brewing... As for hops, you can reuse dry hops for bittering. To be honest though, I would just get some super-cheap high-alpha hops for bittering and forget about reusing.

MyQul · Mar 26, 2017

Grain - There something called part gyle brewing where you use the grain a second time to make a smaller beer http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=68729&highlight=parti+gyle

Hops - I wasnt aware you could use dry hops for bittering as hophead says

Yeast- You can potentially re-use yeast infinately. There are a number of breweries that have been using the same yeast for 100 years plus. On a HB level overbuilding a starter can get you at least 13 re-uses. Some people think infinately http://brulosophy.com/methods/yeast-harvesting/

But I think the best way to save on grains and hops is to buy in bulk. You can get a 25kg sack of base malt for as little as ÃÂ£18 and you can buy hops in up to 1kg amounts on some sites

chub1 · Mar 26, 2017

MyQul said:
Grain - There something called part gyle brewing where you use the grain a second time to make a smaller beer http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=68729&highlight=parti+gyle

Hops - I wasnt aware you could use dry hops for bittering as hophead says

Yeast- You can potentially re-use yeast infinately. There are a number of breweries that have been using the same yeast for 100 years plus. On a HB level overbuilding a starter can get you at least 13 re-uses. Some people think infinately http://brulosophy.com/methods/yeast-harvesting/

But I think the best way to save on grains and hops is to buy in bulk. You can get a 25kg sack of base malt for as little as Ã¯Â¿Â½ÃÂ£18 and you can buy hops in up to 1kg amounts on some sites

Did a partygyle a while back on a small brew,got an 8.40% stout and another weaker 3.5% from re mashing the grains:)

MyQul · Mar 26, 2017

chub1 said:
Did a partygyle a while back on a small brew,got an 8.40% stout and another weaker 3.5% from re mashing the grains:)

I know almost zero about it other than what I wrote in post 3 and that's it's a historical brewing technique. But I was aware of Slids' thread so thought the OP might find it of interest

Leon103 · Mar 26, 2017

Are you sure hops can be re-used? They would have to be cones.

terrym · Mar 26, 2017

If cost is so important I would carry on making beer as before but just not drink as much.
Re-using yeast is fine, but the best place for used hops and grain is in the compost heap :thumb:.

dps51 · Mar 26, 2017

terrym said:
If cost is so important I would carry on making beer as before but just not drink as much.
Re-using yeast is fine, but the best place for used hops and grain is in the compost heap :thumb:.

cost is not that important it's just that I don't like to chuck thing away without finding out if I can reuse them
it's just the way I was raised up waste not want not

johnnyboy1965 · Mar 26, 2017

HopHead420 said:
You can't really reuse spent grain for brewing... As for hops, you can reuse dry hops for bittering. To be honest though, I would just get some super-cheap high-alpha hops for bittering and forget about reusing.

Total rubbish...where did you hear that?

johnnyboy1965 · Mar 26, 2017

Spent grain...if you have sparged correctly there is no nutritonal value left in the spent grains...try feeding it to ducks and see what they do.

Slid · Mar 26, 2017

MyQul said:
I know almost zero about it other than what I wrote in post 3 and that's it's a historical brewing technique. But I was aware of Slids' thread so thought the OP might find it of interest

The Parti-gyle technique is now about getting different strengths of beer from the same grain. There is precious little left in a grain after modern approaches have produced an ABV beer at ~ 5%. Having a chew on the grains, there is very little sweetness left.

terrym · Mar 26, 2017

dps51 said:
cost is not that important it's just that I don't like to chuck thing away without finding out if I can reuse them
it's just they way I was raised up waste not want not

And that's one of my lifestyle objectives, waste not want not. I was also brought up to be thrifty.
However I don't let it get in the way of enjoying stuff, and 'making do' when renewal is a better option. So if it's spent and/or unusable it gets chucked, by recycling if possible.
It seems logical to me that re-using something like spent grain and hops from a brewing process will produce something that isn't really very nice to drink, which then defeats one of the other of my lifestyle objectives, which is to brew stuff that I enjoy drinking.
You may, however, be able to brew something that you are happy to drink using said spent grain and hops, if so, best of luck with it:thumb:

chub1 · Mar 26, 2017

MyQul said:
I know almost zero about it other than what I wrote in post 3 and that's it's a historical brewing technique. But I was aware of Slids' thread so thought the OP might find it of interest

Did it as an experiment,both are carbing up. Will be interested to see what the weaker 3.50% brew tastes like:lol:, if it's rubbish,so be it. I re mashed the grains and then boiled for 40 minutes with a batch of fresh hops .
I know that 'cheapbrew' who comes on here from time to time has done it a few times and has had some decent beers!

Pawlo7671 · Mar 26, 2017

I read that you can re use hops that have been used for dry hopping for bittering, obviously yeast is reusable, don't know about grain...ask my dog : http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=662904#post662904

chthon · Mar 27, 2017

"Shut up about Barclay Perkins" has historical information about recipes where the spent hops from previous brews were again used to bitter low ABV (table) beers.

BarnBrian · Mar 27, 2017

MyQul said:
Grain - There something called part gyle brewing where you use the grain a second time to make a smaller beer http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=68729&highlight=parti+gyle

Hops - I wasnt aware you could use dry hops for bittering as hophead says

Yeast- You can potentially re-use yeast infinately. There are a number of breweries that have been using the same yeast for 100 years plus. On a HB level overbuilding a starter can get you at least 13 re-uses. Some people think infinately http://brulosophy.com/methods/yeast-harvesting/

But I think the best way to save on grains and hops is to buy in bulk. You can get a 25kg sack of base malt for as little as Ã¯Â¿Â½ÃÂ£18 and you can buy hops in up to 1kg amounts on some sites

I've not seen it that cheap, was that recently?

MyQul · Mar 27, 2017

BarnBrian said:
I've not seen it that cheap, was that recently?

I was wrong...ÃÂ£17.10 plus 5% forum discount

http://www.geterbrewed.com/irish-ale-malt/

http://www.thehomebrewcompany.co.uk/hook-head-irish-pale-malt-whole-25kg-46-ebc-minch-p-3136.html plus 5% forum discount

HopHead420 · Apr 3, 2017

johnnyboy1965 said:
Total rubbish...where did you hear that?

Bit rude there... With which part do you take issue? Spent grain in an efficient system will have very little left to it, and used whole cones for dry hopping have most of the alpha acid content remaining.

johnnyboy1965 · Apr 3, 2017

HopHead420 said:
Bit ride there... With which part do you take issue? Spent grain in an efficient system will have very little left to it, and used whole cones for dry hopping have most of the alpha acid content remaining.

So you have dry hopped with a low AA aroma hop and then you want to re-use these hops as a bittering hop, with absolutly no idea of what AA are left.
If anyone can catergorically (sp) state, with references, that this is true, I will make a silly donation to the RNLI.

DoctorMick · Apr 3, 2017

johnnyboy1965 said:
Spent grain...if you have sparged correctly there is no nutritonal value left in the spent grains...try feeding it to ducks and see what they do.

Chickens love the stuff. They can be used for dog biscuits too and I think people even make bread from it.

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