Hobgoblin Clone - When to enter which hops?

[Wabby]

Doing my second AG this weekend, and its a Hobgoblin Clone (Apparently).

It specs:

4290g Marris Otter
360g Crystal Malt
150g Chocolate Malt
16g Cascade Pellets
14g East Kent Goldings Pellets
14g Fuggles Pellets
40g Styrian Goldings

Has anybody any ideas on when to put in how many hops ???

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[Wabby]

I read to target 36.6 IBU's, which I have blagged in BeerSmith .. But not sure this profile looks right:

14g Fuggles, 14g East Kent, 15g Styrian - 60 min
16g Cascade - 30 Min
25g Styrian - 15 min

 

[Sandimas]

I'm surprised Cascade is in there, Hobgoblin's been around a long time way before those US hops started to be popular.

Lots of recipes out there. The one I have has the following:
- 30g each Styrian Goldings and Fuggles at the start of the boil (60 min boil)
- 30g each Styrian Goldings and Fuggles in at 30mins
- 15g each Styrian Goldings and Fuggles at flameout (steep for 30mins)
- no Cascade
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[DoctorMick]

I'm surprised Cascade is in
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That was my first thought as soon as I read the recipe.

 

[strange-steve]

I have heard that it contains cascade but it doesn't seem right. A popular clone uses the following hop schedule :
15g styrian goldings FWH
15g fuggles FWH
15g styrian goldings 30 mins
15g fuggles 30 mins
15g styrian goldings 0 mins
15g fuggles 0 mins

 

[Wabby]

Got the cascade from the podcast interview with their head brewer in 2011.

I'll listen again and see if he mentions times for the hops.

 

[DoctorMick]

Got the cascade from the podcast interview with their head brewer in 2011.

I'll listen again and see if he mentions times for the hops.

That's interesting. If it doesn't then I'd guess it's as a bittering addition cos the flavour doesn't come thru (not hhst I've ever noticed anyway).

 

[Wabby]

He definitely says 80% styrian to 20% cascade for aroma.
50/50 fuggles and goldings for bittering.

Interesting. Ill try that way and compare.

 

[Sandimas]

He definitely says 80% styrian to 20% cascade for aroma.

I don't really trust what brewers say or write on their websites any more, I reckon they're sometimes trying to put you off the scent with their precious recipes. I've done a fair few clones of various ales, and even been on brewery tours and seen what they've used in the actual beer, yet the websites have quoted different hops.

It could be that they've updated the recipe, but nobody in the UK was brewing with those zingy US hops when Hobgoblin came out, it was a good 10-15 years before they started appearing in British beers.

 

[Lesinge]

I read to target 36.6 IBU's, which I have blagged in BeerSmith .. But not sure this profile looks right:

14g Fuggles, 14g East Kent, 15g Styrian - 60 min
16g Cascade - 30 Min
25g Styrian - 15 min

Off topic..is that Greg Huges Kolsch that you are doing?

 

[Wabby]

Off topic..is that Greg Huges Kolsch that you are doing?

Unsure. Got recipe from a site with Benjamin Strange listed as the author.

 

[JRTurner1234]

Ridiculous - there is no way hobgoblin has cascade!

 

[Covrich]

Ridiculous - there is no way hobgoblin has cascade!

I also thought this, I did a clone as my first ever partial 18 months or so ago, that was styrian goldings and fuggles..

The clone was okay but not quite right (it was my first ever time with the grains tbf)

However it isn't the first time I have heard cascade mentioned.

 

[JRTurner1234]

I also thought this, I did a clone as my first ever partial 18 months or so ago, that was styrian goldings and fuggles..

The clone was okay but not quite right (it was my first ever time with the grains tbf)

However it isn't the first time I have heard cascade mentioned.

I guess Hobgoblin has changed over the years, so perhaps at some point it contained cascade....

 

[Wabby]

Well I can confirm or deny in 3 weeks when it be ready to sample.

Let the countdown commence.

 

[Wabby]

Bottled it just now ... it certainly tastes like Hobgoblin.

Won't know how close until I do a side by side comparison in 2 weeks time.

Roll on .....

 

[Wabby]

Got itchy, so put one in fridge.

FOOKIN WOW.

My new favourite beer is made by me. Lol

Ill be back to back testing it with a real goblin when its ready.

 

[dad_of_jon]

Got itchy, so put one in fridge.

FOOKIN WOW.

My new favourite beer is made by me. Lol

that my friend is always a ker-ching! moment

I'm fighting at the moment with the Belgian brewers as to who makes the best beer them or me :lol:

 

[IainM]

Got itchy, so put one in fridge.

FOOKIN WOW.

My new favourite beer is made by me. Lol

Ill be back to back testing it with a real goblin when its ready.

I'm glad to hear that, because I had the ingredients to do this exact recipe delivered two days ago. What yeast did you use? I've got the White Labs Burton Ale one.

 

[MyQul]

I'm glad to hear that, because I had the ingredients to do this exact recipe delivered two days ago. What yeast did you use? I've got the White Labs Burton Ale one.

I'm kind of interested in this yeast but when I cultured up the yeast from a bottle of brakspear tripple (which is supposed to be similar to WLP023) there was loads of sulpher. MrsMQ wasnt impressed. Let us know if you get any sulpher smells from this strain