Just use apple juice and add cider yeast has worked well for me. Make it all the same way as you would a kit (no sugar) but just apple juice and yeast. Make sure there are no flavourings, sweetners or preservative in it.
just use the amount you want + a few litres to allow for what you lose in the sediment etc. I have never made a cider kit to compare.How much apple juice to 23 lt bin and is it a lot better than the kit please?
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