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Old 03-12-2017, 05:02 PM   #11
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Old 03-12-2017, 05:30 PM   #12
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I did a bit of research into the style myself Liam & Leon, and you know what I found? A bunch of best guesses... The one thing they all agree on? It was farmhouse ale made with whatever came to hand, in the French speaking region of Belgium. ALL of the Saisons out there now are creations, not originals.

Now don't get me wrong, my introduction to the style was Brewdog Electric India, which some folks would tell you is not saison. Tasted ruddy good though, so was the recipe I used for my first AG, switching out extra pale malt for a more "true to style" Belgian pilsen malt. You know what? I bottled it yesterday and already it's truly a delicious bit of beer.

So what am I getting at? Well a saison is a light coloured beer, usually made with either belgian ale yeast or a specific saison yeast, depending upon who you ask. So have fun, go to town, see what you get...

Here's a wild idea, stop caring about styles set by other people, experiment, find beers YOU like. Tweak existing recipes, enjoy the process and the result, stop caring what other people think as end of the day it's YOUR beer.

I was going to brew one myself today, but life decided nope.... Nowhere near style, as I plan to use a mix of Amarillo, mosaic and citra hops, non of which are in the slightest bit Belgian...... Bet it'll taste good though when I finally got around to it...
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Old 03-12-2017, 05:34 PM   #13
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I did a saison recently and my take on the taste was a bit like a dry cider or a sparkling wine in terms of mouth feel, mine had some darker malt and low bitterness and was highly carbonated.

In contrast I've just bottled a Christmas ale using same yeast - WY3711 - which is more hopped and much less carbonated, so in the style of a British bitter, flavoured with orange and ginger. The first taste is lovely
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In contrast I've just bottled a Christmas ale using same yeast - WY3711 - which is more hopped and much less carbonated, so in the style of a British bitter, flavoured with orange and ginger. The first taste is lovely
That sounds very interesting.
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Some of the comments there not terribly helpful, I think the first saison I ever tasted was home brewed, likewise my first bock, kolsch and Berliner weisse.

Anyway to answer your question, a saison is generally a dry, highly carbed ale with a citrusy fruit character, some spicy, peppery phenols and often a slight tartness. A typical saison has a simple recipe with most of the "saison character" coming from the yeast. If you want to try what is often considered the quintessential saison then look out for Dupont. It is beautifully simple but elegant.
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First cider I tasted was a bought one, so I could check whether the 20 litres I had fermenting were tasting okay. 12 litres of mead are in secondary but I still don't know what it should taste like. Yes I have a bottle of mead, a hydromel, but haven't gotten around tasting it.
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First cider I tasted was a bought one, so I could check whether the 20 litres I had fermenting were tasting okay. 12 litres of mead are in secondary but I still don't know what it should taste like. Yes I have a bottle of mead, a hydromel, but haven't gotten around tasting it.
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Mead is a funny one. Most commercial examples are very sweet due to consumers expecting that when they buy a honey product. By all means they are perfectly good meads, but very narrow compared to what is traditional.
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I've found the 3 saisons i've done to date have all been so much better than the commercial saisons I've tried. - electric india, m&s sorachi ace and nogne saison. So buying a commercial could put you off. I've found my saisons to be a bit too funky when young but they do age 3-4 months+ beautifully. If you do make one and think uurgh! - DO NOT THROW IT OUT - leave it for a few months then try!
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I've just done a saison and used both WLP and the Wyeast strains in the fermenter. They say they lag at about 1030 but mine went straight through. I based the recipe on a Dupont if you want the recipe pm me.

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I've found the 3 saisons i've done to date have all been so much better than the commercial saisons I've tried. - electric india, m&s sorachi ace and nogne saison. So buying a commercial could put you off. I've found my saisons to be a bit too funky when young but they do age 3-4 months+ beautifully. If you do make one and think uurgh! - DO NOT THROW IT OUT - leave it for a few months then try!
I'm with you there, Electric India is nice but the hops are probably more dominant than is traditional. I couldn't drink Nogne Saison, got barely halfway down the glass and it just tasted bad to me. Dupont is great but really mild in my experience.

I'll be tasting my first saison in a week or so. Based on the basic saison recipe from Farmhouse Ales using Wyeast 3726 Farmhouse Ale, pilsner, munich and wheat with East Kent golding and Saaz; it was tasting very nice at bottling.
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