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It's amazing some of the stories...and you can't even get a Granny Smiths into America or Australia!
Bosch
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66484699
Six drown in the Channel
Six drown in the Channel
More than 100,000 migrants have crossed the English Channel on small boats in the last five years.
The milestone was reached on Thursday as 755 people crossed in 14 boats, according to the Home Office - the highest daily number so far this year.
It also confirmed 17 individuals were rescued from the water who had gone overboard on Thursday morning.
The government said the crossings were "placing an unprecedented strain on our asylum system".
How many people cross the Channel in small boats and how many claim asylum?
The RNLI said lifeboats from Dover, Ramsgate, Dungeness and Littlestone were called out on Thursday morning to assist with the coastguard rescue.
A Home Office spokesman said the migrants were all taken ashore for routine health and safety checks.
The Border Force also reported on Friday that one of its cutters broke down and a £400,000 drone used to monitor activity in the Channel crashed into the sea.
The latest crossings come just weeks after sweeping asylum reforms became law and while the Government fends off legal challenges in the courts over its Rwanda deal and decisions to house migrants on former military sites in Essex and Lincolnshire.
Meanwhile, asylum seekers were finally moved onto the Bibby Stockholm barge on the Dorset coast after the plans were beset by delays.
The 100,000 figure is clearly an unwelcome milestone for a government which has vowed to stop the boats. But the boats keep coming.
This week was supposed to be an opportunity for ministers to trumpet some of their new initiatives - more cooperation with social-media companies to prevent smugglers advertising journeys online, a new deal with Turkey to prevent boat parts reaching France, and asylum seekers moving onto the barge in Dorset.
But that risks being overshadowed by the latest figures.
The government will take some comfort in the fact crossings so far this year have fallen by 15% compared with the same period last year.
Critics though say the fall is more down to the bad weather we've been having in recent weeks than government policy, as summer is usually the peak period for crossings.
The Illegal Migration Act, central to the Prime Minister's pledge to "stop the boats" crossing the Channel, will prevent people from claiming asylum in the UK if they arrive through unauthorised means.
Officials are still working on when the legislation will come into force, and it is anticipated elements of the new laws may be implemented in stages over the coming months.
In 2022, more than 89,000 people requested asylum in the UK.
It reached that figure after applications rose throughout the 2010s, as refugees fled Syria.
A Home Office spokesman said: "Our priority is to stop the boats and we are working alongside our French partners and other agencies to disrupt the people smugglers.
"The government is going even further through our Illegal Migration Act which will mean that people arriving in the UK illegally are detained and promptly removed to their country of origin or a safe third country."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-66473852
The milestone was reached on Thursday as 755 people crossed in 14 boats, according to the Home Office - the highest daily number so far this year.
It also confirmed 17 individuals were rescued from the water who had gone overboard on Thursday morning.
The government said the crossings were "placing an unprecedented strain on our asylum system".
How many people cross the Channel in small boats and how many claim asylum?
The RNLI said lifeboats from Dover, Ramsgate, Dungeness and Littlestone were called out on Thursday morning to assist with the coastguard rescue.
A Home Office spokesman said the migrants were all taken ashore for routine health and safety checks.
The Border Force also reported on Friday that one of its cutters broke down and a £400,000 drone used to monitor activity in the Channel crashed into the sea.
The latest crossings come just weeks after sweeping asylum reforms became law and while the Government fends off legal challenges in the courts over its Rwanda deal and decisions to house migrants on former military sites in Essex and Lincolnshire.
Meanwhile, asylum seekers were finally moved onto the Bibby Stockholm barge on the Dorset coast after the plans were beset by delays.
Analysis
by Simon Jones, BBC NewsThe 100,000 figure is clearly an unwelcome milestone for a government which has vowed to stop the boats. But the boats keep coming.
This week was supposed to be an opportunity for ministers to trumpet some of their new initiatives - more cooperation with social-media companies to prevent smugglers advertising journeys online, a new deal with Turkey to prevent boat parts reaching France, and asylum seekers moving onto the barge in Dorset.
But that risks being overshadowed by the latest figures.
The government will take some comfort in the fact crossings so far this year have fallen by 15% compared with the same period last year.
Critics though say the fall is more down to the bad weather we've been having in recent weeks than government policy, as summer is usually the peak period for crossings.
The Illegal Migration Act, central to the Prime Minister's pledge to "stop the boats" crossing the Channel, will prevent people from claiming asylum in the UK if they arrive through unauthorised means.
Officials are still working on when the legislation will come into force, and it is anticipated elements of the new laws may be implemented in stages over the coming months.
In 2022, more than 89,000 people requested asylum in the UK.
It reached that figure after applications rose throughout the 2010s, as refugees fled Syria.
A Home Office spokesman said: "Our priority is to stop the boats and we are working alongside our French partners and other agencies to disrupt the people smugglers.
"The government is going even further through our Illegal Migration Act which will mean that people arriving in the UK illegally are detained and promptly removed to their country of origin or a safe third country."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-66473852
I have this morning removed several posts lets keep the thread on the topic of how the the government stops these desperate people drowning in the channel.
Edit to add - As one of you has already queried the decision (which i have removed) could i ask you to keep the discussion on topic if you feel my decision to remove the posts was wrong feel free to report it to @THBF failure to follow this request will result in you losing permission to post in the thread.
Edit to add - As one of you has already queried the decision (which i have removed) could i ask you to keep the discussion on topic if you feel my decision to remove the posts was wrong feel free to report it to @THBF failure to follow this request will result in you losing permission to post in the thread.
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By Thomas Mackintosh & Oliver Slow
BBC News
Ministers took "instant action" to move 39 asylum seekers from the Bibby Stockholm barge after Legionella bacteria was found last week, the health secretary said.
Steve Barclay was questioned why people were moved in when officials knew tests were being conducted.
He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that "no-one has been harmed".
Home Office ministers say the presence of bacteria was confirmed to them on Thursday, and they then took action.
In an interview with Sky News, Mr Barclay said: "As soon as ministers were notified on Thursday night, there were some concerns with that, they took instant action."
The barge had been billed as a cheaper alternative to hotels for asylum seekers awaiting the outcome of their claims.
The government eventually plans to house up to 500 men aged 18-65 on the vessel moored in Portland Port while they await the outcome of asylum applications.
Mr Barclay added "progress is being made" on migrant policy. "We recognise there is more to do. The barge is one aspect of that. We need to go further."
His comments come after six people died crossing the English Channel on Saturday as a small boat got into difficulty. Fifty-nine people, many of them Afghans, were rescued.
Dorset Council said it informed Home Office contractors about preliminary Legionella test results last Monday.
"To be clear, it was not Dorset Council's responsibility to inform the Home Office - that responsibility sat with CTM and Landry and King, the companies contracted by the Home Office to operate the barge," it said
The full timeline remains unclear and the council has not yet said whether it told contractors before or after the transfer of migrants on to the barge.
A senior Home Office source told the BBC that the department did not receive a formal notification of the presence of Legionella until Wednesday evening.
The source said the person notified on Tuesday was a "junior" member of staff who happened to be on a call with contractors.
They added that the department was "led" by the UK Health Security Agency, which did not recommend evacuation until Thursday night.
Prof Dame Jenny Harries, the agency's chief executive, said that legionella bacteria detected in routine tests would not "necessarily indicate there is a systemic problem".
"Just finding legionella does not necessarily mean there is a significant risk to human health," she told Today.
"It is primarily the responsibility of the operator or the manager of the premises or with the services to ensure that is fully managed before there are people using the services."
Legionella bacteria can cause Legionnaires disease, a type of pneumonia. Around 5%-10% of cases are fatal.
Tim Parkinson, director of water treatment specialists Feedwater, said it was fairly common for large domestic water systems to become contaminated.
He told the BBC that only in "relatively high-risk" situations would you remove people from a contaminated site.
The government has faced internal criticism over its handling of the Bibby Stockholm.
David Davis, a Conservative MP, said that it highlighted "startling incompetence" in the Home Office, while former party chairman Sir Jake Berry described the removals as "farcical".
Meanwhile, Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said that barges were not a solution to the "broken" asylum system.
"I don't want to keep barges or hotels or airfields, for that matter," he said, but added that a Labour government would "inherit a very difficult situation" and manage it "as best we can".
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The Express: fanning the flames of hate once again
welly3
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It's an absolutely nasty rag. I genuinely have no idea why people buy or read it, other than to get themselves incensed and riled up. It's self-flagellation. There's nothing good whatsoever that comes out of that paper or the Daily Hatemail.
EU blocks deal which would allow Channel migrants to be sent back to France
Brussels has reportedly rejected Britain's attempts to strike a returns agreement.
Tory MP says French could stop small boats 'overnight'
The EU has ruled out a deal which would allow Channel migrants to be sent back to France, according to reports.
Leaked documents show a European Commission official told Britain's national security adviser earlier this year that the bloc was not open to a returns agreement.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak hoped such a pact would help tackle the small boats crisis.
But notes of a meeting this summer between European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen’s head of cabinet Bjoern Siebert and Sir Tim Barrow make clear Brussels would not strike a deal.
The Cabinet Office memo, seen by the Daily Mail, says of the EU official: "He stressed that the Commission is not open to a UK-EU readmissions agreement."
A European Commission spokesman disputed claims that Mr Siebert rejected a returns pact.
The UK has resorted to lobbying the EU after repeated refusals from France on an agreement.
When Britain was a member of the bloc some migrants were returned under the Dublin Regulation, which allows asylum seekers to be deported to the first country they enter.
A Government source said: "The EU can’t even agree a migration deal between themselves so it’s no surprise they aren’t willing to discuss a readmissions agreement with us.
"Even under the Dublin Agreement we took more people than we sent the other way."
It comes as more than 100,000 migrants have made the dangerous journey across the Channel in rubber dinghies since 2018.
Some Tory MPs are calling for Britain to quit the European Convention on Human Rights, which is ruled on by the European Court of Human Rights, in order to tackle the issue.
It is understood UK ministers still hope a returns deal can be struck with Brussels and believe it would act as a deterrent.
A Government spokesman said: "We remain open to working with the EU to take forward negotiations on a UK-EU returns deal."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1802245/eu-channel-migrants-returns-deal
welly3
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I bet that is either not at all true or an important part of that story has been left out. To believe a word that the Express prints is both foolish and naive.
We specifically asked to be pulled out of Dublin Agreement. Do we honestly expect the bloc to bend over an take it every which way we desire? Astonishing arrogance displayed by our government.
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Not arrogance, they're just using the us v them card, again.
We are being lied to left right and centre, every one is entitled to an opinion or to believe what they think is happening, right or wrong i believe this is the truth
Clarence
Landlord.
I googled "which countries have the English colonised". Here's one of the shorter answers, which you can follow up yourself if you like:
People also ask
How many countries have the English Colonised?
Of the almost 200 current member states (and one observer state) of the United Nations, the British have, at some point in history, invaded and established a military presence in 171 of them. This is what British historian Stuart Laycock learned after his son asked him how many countries Britain had invaded.Nov 7, 2012
A bit of a cheek, then quibbling about a few asylum seekers who are not trying to establish a military presence.
As for sending them to France: Where do you you think the Bretons come from? The Bretons are one of the five major celtic groups. The fled Britain when the Angles, the Saxons and the Jutes invaded in the 5th century.
Are there any Anglo Saxons here on this thread? To play on the words of 30p Anderson, "Why don't you all eff off back to Germany and Denmark where you belong"
Where do you think the Normans came from? Those very Normans who invaded England under Willie the Conk. They were Vikings who had migrated from their "safe" haven in what is now England many years earlier. Why didn't they stay in their "safe" country (most of which was theirs anyway) instead of becoming economic migrants in France?
So when we start getting all nimby-ish and precious about our borders, let's remember where we come from, shall we!
People also ask
How many countries have the English Colonised?
Of the almost 200 current member states (and one observer state) of the United Nations, the British have, at some point in history, invaded and established a military presence in 171 of them. This is what British historian Stuart Laycock learned after his son asked him how many countries Britain had invaded.Nov 7, 2012
A bit of a cheek, then quibbling about a few asylum seekers who are not trying to establish a military presence.
As for sending them to France: Where do you you think the Bretons come from? The Bretons are one of the five major celtic groups. The fled Britain when the Angles, the Saxons and the Jutes invaded in the 5th century.
Are there any Anglo Saxons here on this thread? To play on the words of 30p Anderson, "Why don't you all eff off back to Germany and Denmark where you belong"
Where do you think the Normans came from? Those very Normans who invaded England under Willie the Conk. They were Vikings who had migrated from their "safe" haven in what is now England many years earlier. Why didn't they stay in their "safe" country (most of which was theirs anyway) instead of becoming economic migrants in France?
So when we start getting all nimby-ish and precious about our borders, let's remember where we come from, shall we!
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I find it really disturbing that no one mentions Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, who all had empires The world over, it's always England who gets mentioned' really really does sadden me 
I find it really disturbing that no one mentions Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, who all had empires The world over, it's always England who gets mentioned' really really does sadden me
All are culpable, but not sure it adds anything to get caught up in whataboutery. We are responsible for the nature of governance in our country.
Bosch
Landlord.
Does France read the Daily Express?
I think you need to ask the editor!
