You couldn't make it up, Sunak is in a disused station on the day of another rail strike about to either make the biggest U turn if his career or is going to bury HS2 up here either way it's going to be a bad day for him.
The downfall of the Tory party.
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Or he is taking the pi--z
People phoning 5live saying he is going to scrap it and drop it in Kiers lap when labour out them in the GE.
So HS2 is scraped and we get a promise of £36 billion for network north, sounds great but as predicted by those that phoned in this morning it means they are going to have to build more roads and widen the existing ones, so we don't get HS2 but we do get 8 lane motoways, I thought the idea of HS2 was to get people out of their cars and wagons off our busy roads as they would use the old lines for freight.
What happens if they lose the next election?
What happens if they lose the next election?
Nothing. it's a 2 party system thats why i never vote. but then again 50% get 50% don't so until the people change it carry on as normal
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Have you considered voting for one of the other parties instead of not at all? At least then your vote gets counted
To be honest i am glad he has made this *U turn this will effect the majority here not just the few who would have used HS2.
*if he is true to his word and does what he says he will below.
Lets see what Labour have to say about the decision has Kier got the balls to say he will reverse it?
The prime minister has pledged billions for transport projects across the country after scrapping the northern leg of the HS2 high speed rail link. (BBC News)
Rishi Sunak said in a speech at the Conservative party conference that £36bn would be spent on alternative rail, road and bus schemes instead.
It came after he confirmed that the Birmingham-Manchester leg of HS2 would be ditched after weeks of speculation.
He said the decision was due to huge costs and long delays.
But it has led to accusations the government is abandoning its mission to "level up" different areas of the UK outside London.
The GMB union said the decision would "send a shockwave through the construction industry and railway supply chain, costing hundreds of jobs".
In his speech, Mr Sunak said the government "will reinvest every single penny" saved from cancelling the remainder of HS2, which he said totals £36bn.
"Every region outside of London will receive the same or more government investment than they would have done under HS2, with quicker results," he said, although it is not clear when this money will be made available.
"Our plan will drive far more growth and opportunity here in the North than a faster train to London ever would," he added.
The high speed rail project was intended to link London, the Midlands and the north of England.
The first part, between west London and Birmingham, is already being constructed. Mr Sunak confirmed that it will be completed, given how far along that section is.
But the scheme as a whole has already faced delays, cost increases and cuts - including the planned eastern leg between Birmingham and Leeds which was axed in late 2021.
In March, the government announced that building the line between Birmingham and Crewe, and then onto Manchester, would be delayed for at least two years.
Grant Shapps, the current Defence Secretary and former Transport Secretary, recently said it would be "crazy" not to review plans for HS2 given that costs have risen.
The last official estimate on HS2 costs, excluding the cancelled eastern section, added up to about £71bn.
But this was in 2019 prices so it does not account for the rise in costs for materials and wages since then.
In his speech on Thursday, the prime minister said that east-west links were "far more important" than those linking up the north and the south of England.
He said that his plans would see "hundreds" of alternative projects funded, such as:
Although the prime minister said it would be possible to get from Manchester to Hull in 84 minutes on a fully-electrified line under the new plans, known as "Network North", it is not yet clear what decision has been made on the Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) project, which aims to improve connections between Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool.
NPR was originally designed to intersect with HS2, using a section of the high speed line for a complicated section through central Manchester.
Mr Sunak confirmed the HS2 scheme would still run to Euston in central London, rather than terminating at Old Oak Common in the west of the capital, but promised to get a grip on the costs of the project.
Laurence Turner, head of research at the GMB union, said it was "essential" that the planned HS2 route was now protected "so that a future government can reverse this disastrous decision".
Northern leaders also hit out at the decision to axe HS2 between Birmingham and Manchester, with Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham saying there was "frustration and anger" in the region.
He said: "It always seems that people here where I live and where I kind of represent can be treated as second class citizens when it comes to transport."
The prime minister also came under fire from a number of senior Conservatives in recent days, who urged him not to scrap the northern section of the rail link.
Former Chancellor George Osborne said HS2 was "a great opportunity to deliver for northern voters" and cancelling phase two to Manchester "would be a great tragedy".
He added that NPR was not a substitute for HS2 and that both projects "should go ahead together".
In a dramatic intervention on Monday, West Midlands Tory mayor Andy Street said axing the Manchester leg would amount to "cancelling the future" and risk damaging the UK's international reputation "as a place to invest".
Mr Street acknowledged the costs were "escalating" but said he had been working on a new funding model for the project with more private sector involvement.
BBC News
*if he is true to his word and does what he says he will below.
Lets see what Labour have to say about the decision has Kier got the balls to say he will reverse it?
The prime minister has pledged billions for transport projects across the country after scrapping the northern leg of the HS2 high speed rail link. (BBC News)
Rishi Sunak said in a speech at the Conservative party conference that £36bn would be spent on alternative rail, road and bus schemes instead.
It came after he confirmed that the Birmingham-Manchester leg of HS2 would be ditched after weeks of speculation.
He said the decision was due to huge costs and long delays.
But it has led to accusations the government is abandoning its mission to "level up" different areas of the UK outside London.
The GMB union said the decision would "send a shockwave through the construction industry and railway supply chain, costing hundreds of jobs".
In his speech, Mr Sunak said the government "will reinvest every single penny" saved from cancelling the remainder of HS2, which he said totals £36bn.
"Every region outside of London will receive the same or more government investment than they would have done under HS2, with quicker results," he said, although it is not clear when this money will be made available.
"Our plan will drive far more growth and opportunity here in the North than a faster train to London ever would," he added.
The high speed rail project was intended to link London, the Midlands and the north of England.
The first part, between west London and Birmingham, is already being constructed. Mr Sunak confirmed that it will be completed, given how far along that section is.
But the scheme as a whole has already faced delays, cost increases and cuts - including the planned eastern leg between Birmingham and Leeds which was axed in late 2021.
In March, the government announced that building the line between Birmingham and Crewe, and then onto Manchester, would be delayed for at least two years.
Grant Shapps, the current Defence Secretary and former Transport Secretary, recently said it would be "crazy" not to review plans for HS2 given that costs have risen.
How much has HS2 cost so far?
In his first speech to party conference as prime minister, Mr Sunak said that changes to travel seen after the coronavirus pandemic meant that the economic case for HS2 "has been massively weakened".The last official estimate on HS2 costs, excluding the cancelled eastern section, added up to about £71bn.
But this was in 2019 prices so it does not account for the rise in costs for materials and wages since then.
In his speech on Thursday, the prime minister said that east-west links were "far more important" than those linking up the north and the south of England.
He said that his plans would see "hundreds" of alternative projects funded, such as:
- Building the Midlands rail hub, connecting 50 stations
- Upgrading the A1, the A2, the A5 and the M6
- Building a Leeds tram system
- Funding the Shipley bypass, the Blyth relief road and 70 other road schemes
- Electrifying train lines in north Wales
- Resurfacing roads across the country
Although the prime minister said it would be possible to get from Manchester to Hull in 84 minutes on a fully-electrified line under the new plans, known as "Network North", it is not yet clear what decision has been made on the Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) project, which aims to improve connections between Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool.
NPR was originally designed to intersect with HS2, using a section of the high speed line for a complicated section through central Manchester.
Mr Sunak confirmed the HS2 scheme would still run to Euston in central London, rather than terminating at Old Oak Common in the west of the capital, but promised to get a grip on the costs of the project.
Laurence Turner, head of research at the GMB union, said it was "essential" that the planned HS2 route was now protected "so that a future government can reverse this disastrous decision".
Northern leaders also hit out at the decision to axe HS2 between Birmingham and Manchester, with Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham saying there was "frustration and anger" in the region.
He said: "It always seems that people here where I live and where I kind of represent can be treated as second class citizens when it comes to transport."
The prime minister also came under fire from a number of senior Conservatives in recent days, who urged him not to scrap the northern section of the rail link.
Former Chancellor George Osborne said HS2 was "a great opportunity to deliver for northern voters" and cancelling phase two to Manchester "would be a great tragedy".
He added that NPR was not a substitute for HS2 and that both projects "should go ahead together".
In a dramatic intervention on Monday, West Midlands Tory mayor Andy Street said axing the Manchester leg would amount to "cancelling the future" and risk damaging the UK's international reputation "as a place to invest".
Mr Street acknowledged the costs were "escalating" but said he had been working on a new funding model for the project with more private sector involvement.
BBC News
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So Rishi sat on tv yesterday morning and said no decision had been made and that he would not be rushed on this important matter. Today he demonstrated that he was clearly lying through his smile. He announced that the promise to build a HS2 line to Manchester would indeed be scrapped. But would be replaced with some more promises to do thing up north.
The old W Bush phrase come to mind- foot me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!
HS2 axe 'a catastrophe,' Yorkshire leaders say
'Very, very, very sad day'
Mr Coppard said the proposals were "nothing more than reheated projects they've had 13 years to deliver, and more promises for the future they won't deliver".Louise Haigh, Sheffield Heeley MP and Labour's shadow transport secretary, said: "The Conservatives promised Northern Powerhouse Rail 60 times and in three consecutive Conservative manifestos.
"After this Tory fiasco, why should anyone believe the Tories can deliver anything they say?"
Speaking before the prime minister's widely-expected announcement, Henri Murison, chief executive of Northern Powerhouse Partnership, said the cancellation of HS2 was a "national tragedy".
"In 100 years the economy of the North will be smaller because of this decision," he added.
Mr Murison said HS2 represented an "economic vision that if you brought the northern cities together you could build a bigger labour market, you could give people here in the north of England the more productive economy that people in London have".
Martin McKervey, chair of the Sheffield Property Association, said the axing of the project was a "very, very, very sad day".
"Quite frankly, as business people and indeed as residents of the North, I think we deserve better," he told BBC Radio Sheffield.
Mr McKervey, who was one of 80 business leaders who wrote to Mr Sunak urging him not to scrap the northern leg, said HS2 would have been "fundamental" in improving the region's ability to attract investment and talent.
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36 billion for transport in the north.
Still waiting for the 350 million per day (?) for the NHS from Brexit savings .
Still waiting for the 350 million per day (?) for the NHS from Brexit savings .
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Has Rishi just started phase 2 of a classic boiler room operation - ie we've stole all your money but we have a great investment so you can get it all back?
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I totally agree. Labour might moan and criticise but, if they get in, there’s no way they will restart it.
You actually wanted hs2?
I don't know many people that ever gave a fig about getting to London an hour quicker and have never understood how this would increase wealth or industry in the north... unless you count people working in London and artificially increasing house prices in the north near hs2 stations for commuters wanting to exploit cheaper property prices on the north
I'd much rather be able to drive to Warrington or Newcastle in a reasonable time or even better, get a train!as for northern business, surely being connected locally has way more benefit than being able to catch a train to London for a night out on the ****.
Only reason I can think Andy Burnham is getting his knickers in a twist about this, is he wants to catch a faster train to the labour HQ in London to lord it over his old MP pals that he has a better job than they do. ORRRRR, he owns stakes in various building companies and estate management ventures and wanted to see big house price rises in Manchester to get his piece of the gravy train.
I don't know many people that ever gave a fig about getting to London an hour quicker and have never understood how this would increase wealth or industry in the north... unless you count people working in London and artificially increasing house prices in the north near hs2 stations for commuters wanting to exploit cheaper property prices on the north
I'd much rather be able to drive to Warrington or Newcastle in a reasonable time or even better, get a train!as for northern business, surely being connected locally has way more benefit than being able to catch a train to London for a night out on the ****.
Only reason I can think Andy Burnham is getting his knickers in a twist about this, is he wants to catch a faster train to the labour HQ in London to lord it over his old MP pals that he has a better job than they do. ORRRRR, he owns stakes in various building companies and estate management ventures and wanted to see big house price rises in Manchester to get his piece of the gravy train.
No but the alternative network north will mean we will need many more roads and widening of existing ones, Upgrading the A1, A2, A5 and the M6 is not the answer, our existing rail network isn't fit for purpose with trains often late or not turning up due to lack of staff why is this going to chang because they have built more lines and stations as some said yesterday would this have happened if they started HS2 in the north the answer is no.
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Whether we use railways or road, our infrastructure isn't fit for purpose. Most railways were around in Victorian times before Beeching decimated them in the sixties. The population of GB in 1900 was 32 million, today it;s 68 million. More people travel further and more people have and use private vehicles. No wonder the system is creaking. Can we build more roads? Where? The whole infrastucture needs looking at and a country-wide restructuring needs to be put in place.
But it won't happen. Too many nimby s. No poitical will and the situation will inevitably get worse and worse and worse until it collapses.
Electric cars won't save us from potholes and congested roads.
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