Wheat beer with USA hops

[RobWalker]

Any suggestions? Just brainstorming. I love Meine Hopfeinweisse and think with a lot of banana and hop flavour it could be an awesome beer. I have Cascade, Simcoe and Northern Brewer to use.

 

[phettebs]

Cascade is what is typically used in American Wheats. They also use a boring yeast like US05.

I'd bitter with the Northern Brewer and finish with Cascade. Simcoe would be a bit aggressive in a wheat (IMO) but would definitely make for an interesting beer.

 

[RobWalker]

I'm definitely after german wheat character, apparently the Mangrove Jack's Wheat Yeast is closer to Weihenstephan's strain than most and I love their beers. I'm not entirely against using or not using the simcoe, but part of me is tempted to just throw as much flavour as possible into this beer. Wheat = drunk young, super hoppy = drunk young...

 

[phettebs]

Well, Cascade and Simcoe pair nicely. Throw them both in late in the boil.

I'm not a big fan of American wheats because they are too bland when compared to a proper German Weissbier.

 

[RobWalker]

Here's a rough recipe. After brewing my Mosaic American Amber (see sig) I think it's wise to get some spicier earthier flavour hops in the boil, it's a little one dimensional, albeit ridiculously tropical.


Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L): 19.0
Total Grain (kg): 4.650
Total Hops (g): 130.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.058 (°P): 14.3
Final Gravity (FG): 1.015 (°P): 3.8
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 5.70 %
Colour (SRM): 3.9 (EBC): 7.7
Bitterness (IBU): 29.1 (Average)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 76
Boil Time (Minutes): 60

Grain Bill
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3.150 kg Pale Malt (67.74%)
1.500 kg Wheat Malt (32.26%)

Hop Bill
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10.0 g Northern Brewer Leaf (9.6% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
10.0 g Cascade Leaf (7.8% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
10.0 g Northern Brewer Leaf (9.6% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
10.0 g Cascade Leaf (7.8% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
10.0 g Northern Brewer Leaf (9.6% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
80.0 g Cascade Leaf (6.7% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (4.2 g/L)


If there's too much pale to wheat, I can drop some pale malt, I'm not fussed about high ABV. I'm happy for the grain bill to be just pale and wheat as that's what Meine Hopfenweisse uses and it's pretty good.

I'm also reading up on yeast stressing, sounds like fun. Would a higher or lower ferment temp give me more banana?

 

[phettebs]

My experience with 3068 is warmer=banana and cooler = clove.

I tend to go 50/50 on wheat/pale