Rwanda

[foxy]

Starmer should button his lip about overturning the law to ship illegals straight out to Rwanda without seeing if it works.
It certainly worked in Australia when Australia shipped them out to New Guinea. Now Labor is back in power here the illegal immigrants are turning up again.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

What I don't get is how are the threat of being taken from the UK to Rwanda going to become common knowledge in France the smugglers will tell them its a lie and as has been said on many radio discussions on the subject those desperate enough to risk their lives to come here are unlikely to be put off and will still try.

 

[foxy]

What I don't get is how are the threat of being taken from the UK to Rowanda going to become common knowledge in France the smugglers will tell them its a lie and as has been said on many radio discussions on the subject those desperate enough to risk their lives to come here are unlikely to be put off and will still try.

Same way as the proposed illegal immigrants found out about being deported to Papua New Guinea, illegal immigrants aren't ignorant of policies that will effect them.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

This is not going to become common knowledge in France and even if some do find out they will still risk it they don't want to stay in France the smugglers will tell them its a lie and they will still take the gamble.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

This has already cost an obscene amount of money did you know-

Only 300 migrants will be sent to Rwanda each year under the government's controversial programme, according to a Home Office model.
LBC News

 

[Clint]

I wonder if,in Papua New Guinea the locals will put them on their dinner menu?

 

[roboto]

I'm still trying to work out how Rwanda cam be both a delightful and charming place that's safe to be shipped off to, yet also be a deterrent at the same time.

The country is in desperate need of migration to fill skills shortages, especially in health/social care and low skill jobs. Plus migrants are a net benefit by most metrics (e.g. they pay more tax and receive fewer benefits on average). Wouldn't it be cheaper, easier and more humane to assess them and let the useful ones in?

 

[Clint]

Sounds familiar.

 

[pilgrimhudd]

The country is in desperate need of migration to fill skills shortages, especially in health/social care and low skill jobs. Plus migrants are a net benefit by most metrics (e.g. they pay more tax and receive fewer benefits on average). Wouldn't it be cheaper, easier and more humane to assess them and let the useful ones in?

That would mean properly funding the immigration courts and processing all the immigrants properly instead of using them as a political football for the tories to kick.

But yes, it would.

 

[roboto]

That would mean properly funding the immigration courts and processing all the immigrants properly instead of using them as a political football for the tories to kick.

But yes, it would.

I live in hope.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Like all people the world over they aint all bad

 

[foxy]

This is not going to become common knowledge in France and even if some do find out they will still risk it they don't want to stay in France the smugglers will tell them its a lie and they will still take the gamble.

They all carry cell phones and are not short of a dollar they will know as much as anyone in the UK about Rwanda. One things for shore the French aren't going to bust a gut trying to stop them.

I'm still trying to work out how Rwanda cam be both a delightful and charming place that's safe to be shipped off to, yet also be a deterrent at the same time.

The country is in desperate need of migration to fill skills shortages, especially in health/social care and low skill jobs. Plus migrants are a net benefit by most metrics (e.g. they pay more tax and receive fewer benefits on average). Wouldn't it be cheaper, easier and more humane to assess them and let the useful ones in?

I suppose the government chose the nearest place one would never want to visit, never mind living there. I would like to go fishing in Papua New Guinea but Port Moresby but the most dangerous part is getting from the airport to the hotel. Once out in the bush, it is fine.
One minister in the UK did say let them stay, I agree that, with declining population growth the UK relies on immigration. It would certainly help the economy. I would say the majority would be useful, a suburb just down the road from me has a thriving population of Cambodian and Vietnamese immigrants all doing very well for themselves.

 

[jof]

But isn't declining population growth a good thing?
Will lead to more available housing, less environmental damage, more sustainable future...

 

[Rodcx500z]

But isn't declining population growth a good thing?
Will lead to more available housing, less environmental damage, more sustainable future...

Well it would, but it would mean less money for ppe contracts and all the other coruption that goes on

 

[Bosch]

But isn't declining population growth a good thing?
Will lead to more available housing, less environmental damage, more sustainable future...

A declining working population means less tax for the government and less money for services such as the NHS.
Almost all western countries face the same challenge

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The country is in desperate need of migration to fill skills shortages, especially in health/social care and low skill jobs. Plus migrants are a net benefit by most metrics (e.g. they pay more tax and receive fewer benefits on average). Wouldn't it be cheaper, easier and more humane to assess them and let the useful ones in?

Like the point system in Australia (is that still a thing)

 

[Chippy_Tea]

They all carry cell phones and are not short of a dollar they will know as much as anyone in the UK about Rwanda. One things for shore the French aren't going to bust a gut trying to stop them.

"They all carry phones" is a bit of a sweeping statement so playing devils advocate -

If it becomes common knowledge that they are going to get shipped to Rwanda if they get caught they will also know that as it states below 29,437 made it last year and only 300 are going to be sent to Rwanda do you honestly believe that is going to put a single person who is willing to risk their lives getting into a rubber dingy to travel to the land of milk and honey off trying?

In 2023 29,437 people came to the UK this way. That was a big drop from the 2022 total of 45,755, which was the highest number since figures began to be collected in 2018.

 

[sifty]

From a very foreign viewpoint (NZ) how are these people gettting to France in the first place?

And is it really just a stepping off point to get into the UK? Why not stay in France/the Netherlands/Belgium/Germany etc...

Sorry if a dumb question, just trying to understand....

 

[Chippy_Tea]

A must watch cringeworthy moment.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

From a very foreign viewpoint (NZ) how are these people gettting to France in the first place?

And is it really just a stepping off point to get into the UK? Why not stay in France/the Netherlands/Belgium/Germany etc...

Sorry if a dumb question, just trying to understand....

Not a dumb question at all.

The question why dont they stay in the first safe country they get to and seek asylum there has been asked many times the red cross site suggests -

Facts about Channel crossings and why people make them​

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