SNP is the abbreviation for Scottish National Party and has nothing whatsoever to do with socialism, if anything they are conservative-leaning in their political philosophy.
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No. One of the main reasons Scotland wants political independence from Westminster is because it wants to pursue a more outwards looking approach.
Good grief. I've read some amount of ill-considered nonsense on here, but that absolutely tops it. A monumental level of ignorance of politics.
That's not accurate either. They are centrists, with a shoulder leaning left.
Stan's Brew
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Ahh, maybe I conflated Nationallists with Social Democrats from the Wikipedia entry:
The Scottish National Party (SNP; Scots: Scots National Pairty, Scottish Gaelic: Pàrtaidh Nàiseanta na h-Alba [ˈpʰaːrˠʃtʲi ˈn̪ˠaːʃən̪ˠt̪ə nə ˈhal̪ˠapə]) is a Scottish nationalist and social democratic political party in Scotland.
Makes it confusing but in a different sense!
There's nothing confusing about it, unless you look superficially at names and jump to fatuous conclusions.
Stan's Brew
Regular.
Not really, just after a sense of who they are as no-one has managed to explain their political leaning to me.
Stan's Brew
Regular.
Quite possibly true
Stan's Brew
Regular.
Does that not conflict with the Nationalist in their name?
No. And Nationalist isn't in there name.
Stan's Brew
Regular.
So the really confusing piece for me (and remember I am quite politically ignorant here) is that Scotland voted against leaving the EU when the UK wanted to leave the EU, to be self governed, and yet Brexiteers are accused of Nationalism. But Scotland want to self-govern and be nationalist yet wants to join the EU and be governed by the EU. Or is that yet more fatuous drivel?
Stan's Brew
Regular.
But they are Nationalists?
An Ankoù
Landlord.
No. Of course not. Look again at your Wikipedia definition.
But even logically, freaking free from an isolationist entity in order to integrate more closely with the world shows that leaving the Union would be the very opposite of what you suggest.
An Ankoù
Landlord.
This is getting weird.
If a nation state, province or whatever had wanted to break away from the nazi regime of the day, because they disapproved of nazism, would that make them more nazi than the nazis they wanted to leave?
Nationalism doesn't have just a single definition.
If a nation state, province or whatever had wanted to break away from the nazi regime of the day, because they disapproved of nazism, would that make them more nazi than the nazis they wanted to leave?
Nationalism doesn't have just a single definition.
Stan's Brew
Regular.
What is the position of the SNP? To be free from the UK to self-govern, to then join the EU to lose that self-governance? It doesn't make sense to me.
Is it just a centuries old hatred of the English rule over the Scots? Quite understandable.
Makes voting in this poll quite difficult if the apparent conflict of the political position confuses the picture.
Would someone care to clarify once and for all?
Is it just a centuries old hatred of the English rule over the Scots? Quite understandable.
Makes voting in this poll quite difficult if the apparent conflict of the political position confuses the picture.
Would someone care to clarify once and for all?
I think you are oversimplifying/looking at too narrow a definition.
In essence, yes. But you see, as a member of the EU you do still get to govern your own country, contrary to some of the nonsense spouted during the EU referendum.
No hatred here. I grew up in England and certainly have no hatred of the English. It's a recognition that Westminster does not represent Scotland as it should.
And coming back to the question, of course there should be no impediment to asking the question of self-determination.
Could I ask the members that obviously want to be independent what would happen if you got your vote then failed again, would you accept the result or spend the next few years telling everyone that voted to *stay they were wrong and call for another vote?
(*The opposite of Brexit)
(*The opposite of Brexit)
It's not about anyone being wrong. Some people think Scotland should govern itself, some don't. I should imagine that if Scotland voted to remain again, roughly 50% of the population would continue campaigning, such is their democratic right. One dors not simply bow down to the majority and accept things as they are. They regroup and make their case, and attempt to convince others of their convictions. I may disagree with someone saying that Scotland shouldn't have full control of its affairs, but it doesn't make them wrong.
The only reason that Brexit has been framed and right and wrong is because of how each campaign was run. People that voted leave weren't wrong, but much of the campaign that was run for leave was not just incorrect, but demonstrably untrue, as time has proven.
