Price to sell beer to pubs/restaurants/shops

[beermumster]

Does anybody have any idea of what sort of price pubs/bars/restaurants/shops might pay per bottle/crate of a hand-crafted beer (say a 5.5% pale ale)? If you were selling to just local, specialist places and not trying to sell in bulk to supermarkets etc.

Just curious...

 

[Wendy1971]

From what i can gather its a bit of a chore. Health and safety issues etc. If your serious about selling your better off contacting some of your local microbreweries to see if they would make your recipe on their premisis

 

[jamesb]

A quid a bottle wholesale would be about right.

 

[littonlad]

Are you allowed to 'home-brew' for selling?

I didn't think so. :hmm:

 

[snail59]

Are you allowed to 'home-brew' for selling?

I didn't think so. :hmm:

Your correct you can not home brew for selling. I think the question was how much would Pubs/Clubs and the like pay for HAND CRAFTED BEERS. I think someone could be looking into brewing for a living.

Your not supposed to give it away to family and friends either

 

[graysalchemy]

By the time you have paid the duty ingrediants, bottling, overheads etc you would be left with SFA. Wouldn't be worth the bother for £1 a bottle. :lol:

 

[dermy]

Why are you not supposed to give it away to friends and family? That seems very odd.

 

[unclepumble]

Why are you not supposed to give it away to friends and family? That seems very odd.

Because the law states in a round about way you are only legally allowed to drink it if you have brewed it yourself, even giving the missus some is breaking the law if she didn't help brew it.

The tax man must have his duty and all that.

UP

 

[snail59]

In the eyes of the LAW Home brew is for PERSONAL CONSUPTION ONLY

 

[beermumster]

Yes, obviously, I am not trying to sell my homebrew but rather thinking about something more professional. I have all the facts and figures I need re duty, business rates, licenses etc, so know what my expenditures would be to do this, the only thing I don't know (and am not currently in a position to investigate as I am outside of the UK right now), is how much I could sell bottles for on a small scale to local places.

 

[graysalchemy]

One other route to market would be to sell premium beers direct to the public. You produce short runs of a unique and exclusive beer by the case to subscribing members. This way you may be able to charge £3 a bottle. However the beer would have to exceptional for people to buy. I think the meantime brewery at greenwich does this as well as their normal beers.

 

[Barley Bottom]

Why are you not supposed to give it away to friends and family? That seems very odd.

Because the law states in a round about way you are only legally allowed to drink it if you have brewed it yourself, even giving the missus some is breaking the law if she didn't help brew it.

The tax man must have his duty and all that.

UP

Extract from the HM customs page:

You do not need to apply for registration to produce beer in the following circumstances:

brewing solely for your own domestic consumption, or
brewing only for research or experimental purposes - see section 17.
17. Experimental brewing

17.1 Do I have to register for experimental brewing?
If you brew solely for the purposes of research or experiments in the production of beer, you do not need to register for beer duty purposes nor pay duty on the beer. However, you must still notify us, see paragraph 17.3.

However, if you intend to sell or give away any of the beer you produce you must apply for registration and pay duty on such beer.

 

[Wolverine]

ha ha so who do notify then if my missus has a pint so I can pay the tax on it ha ha
What a load of rubbish a totally uneforceable law

 

[hypnoticmonkey]

ha ha so who do notify then if my missus has a pint so I can pay the tax on it ha ha
What a load of rubbish a totally uneforceable law

I think you'll probably find that giving your missus a pint counts as 'domestic consumption.'

As would probably giving it to a friend who was visiting.

Taking a few bottles to a friends house is definitely another matter.

 

[Peapodmaster]

I think you'll probably find that giving your missus a pint counts as 'domestic consumption.'

As would probably giving it to a friend who was visiting.

Taking a few bottles to a friends house is definitely another matter.

what if you took a few bottles to your mates house, to drink yourself ? eh eh ?

 

[hypnoticmonkey]

I couldn't possibly comment, but I would advise against it.

 

[Aleman]

Actually domestic consumption counts as in your own home, removing it to another location for consumption should incur duty.

Actually this is one reason why the CBA have never sought clarification on these rules from HMCE, as it would put the kybosh on all the homebrew beer festivals and competitions (like The Spring Thing) that are arranged in the UK.

As long as the rules are worded in a grey manner . . . . and HMCE are unaware we will get away with it, if they find out they have two options . . . Ignore us or clarify the rules and either stop it completely OR slap a duty on it!

 

[adomant]

I know this is getting away from the original topic of the commercials, but from a duty point of view aren't you allowed to produce beer for experimental tasting as long as no payment is received, it is not for potential future customers, any left over is taken back and it is for tasting new recipes (i.e. competitions) ?

 

[Aleman]

Yes, but you need to register as a brewery, and declare what and how much you make for 'experimentation'

 

[Archtronics]

What about if you have two homes?