Neipa

[Fatcontro11er]

I brewed this neipa 3 weeks ago now and although it looks the part it’s just not punchy and really quite bland!
It’s not been dry hopped but 95% of the hops went in @ 70 c steep post boil
Cascade, citra, centennial, nelson, chinook.
???

 

[Fatcontro11er]

I brewed this neipa 3 weeks ago now and although it looks the part it’s just not punchy and really quite bland!
It’s not been dry hopped but 95% of the hops went in @ 70 c steep post boil
Cascade, citra, centennial, nelson, chinook.
???
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Approx 300g btw per 45l
Am I too light and should I load it with dry hop?

 

[Stu's Brews]

I brewed this neipa 3 weeks ago now and although it looks the part it’s just not punchy and really quite bland!
It’s not been dry hopped but 95% of the hops went in @ 70 c steep post boil
Cascade, citra, centennial, nelson, chinook.
???
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Can you share the recipe? Particularly, quantity of hops added.

 

[Stu's Brews]

Approx 300g btw per 45l
Am I too light and should I load it with dry hop?

Sounds light in terms of overall quantity of hops.

For reference, I did a hazy pale recently that for a 20L batch with a 4.8% ABV used a total of 325g of hops split across the boil, hop stand and dry hop. So my hopping rate was more than double what you've used.

That being said, I still wouldn't expect a 300g/45L hopping rate to produce a 'bland' beer - there should still be some hop character there, but not quite as big and bold as you might expect.

 

[Fatcontro11er]

I’m at work at the moment and have my brewing log at home but I’ll add the recipe later but the grist was pretty typical
Pale malt
Vienna malt
Some wheat
Rolled/flaked oats
90 min boil
10g challenger start of boil
100g cas,centennial chin etc last 5?
200g 70c steep
Approx

 

[Stu's Brews]

I’m at work at the moment and have my brewing log at home but I’ll add the recipe later but the grist was pretty typical
Pale malt
Vienna malt
Some wheat
Rolled/flaked oats
90 min boil
10g challenger start of boil
100g cas,centennial chin etc last 5?
200g 70c steep
Approx

I'd suggest moving the 5 minute addition to either 0 minutes or the hop stand (or half of each) and adding a 300-450g dry hop.

 

[Fatcontro11er]

I’ll certainly add the dry hop now, what length of time would you suggest to dry hop?
It’s a mixture of leaf and pellet.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I know this is heresy but I would increase the start of boil hops to 30g, then a 10 minute addition, then whirlpool and finally dry hop.

 

[Stu's Brews]

I’ll certainly add the dry hop now, what length of time would you suggest to dry hop?
It’s a mixture of leaf and pellet.

2-3 days should be enough.

 

[Stu's Brews]

I know this is heresy but I would increase the start of boil hops to 30g, then a 10 minute addition, then whirlpool and finally dry hop.

Burn the witch!

But more seriously, this would work too if you want a bit more bitterness. Depends on whether you want your NEIPA to be all fruity and juicy or whether you want some bitterness in there to round it out.

 

[Agentgonzo]

Could it have oxidised? That's a common issues with NEIPA apparently (even if it doesn't turn purple).

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Approx 300g btw per 45l
Am I too light and should I load it with dry hop?

Yes to both - 7g/l is not much more than APA hopping, most homebrew NEIPAs are in the 10-16g/l range, some of the big commercial names are up over 20g/l (eg Cloudwater do 24g/l but have things like centrifuges to manage the problem of beer being lost in the hop waste and their "supermarket" collab NEIPA with Brewdog is 10g/l - there are links to some of their DIPA recipes in this blog of theirs, I give some background in this post on HBT).

Dry hopping is kind of a characteristic feature of NEIPAs. These days the trend is to cool crash down to 12C or so after fermentation to drop out most of the yeast before dry-hopping for 2-3 days.

And the thiol-rich hops are characteristic of NEIPAs - the classic combination is Citra/Mosaic/Galaxy but in general I'd drop the old-school "C-hops" like Cascade etc and get at least one NZ/Oz variety in there - Nelson is OK, but is a bit different to a Galaxy or Vic Secret.

For general process etc, the definitive source is the massive NEIPA thread on HBT, Braufessor's recipe is a good place to start although don't get too literal about it.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/northeast-style-ipa.568046/page-146#post-8203827

 

[Fatcontro11er]

Excellent info !!!
Thanks very much!