Thick bleach for sanitizer

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    I went into tescos for my shopping and just remembered I wanted bleach and white distilled vinegar to sanitise in the hope of getting my 1st brew underway this weekend

    But I've read to use thin bleach, but all Tesco had was thick, I bought their own brand anyway incase its usable

    Anyone who mixes their own sanitizer use thick bleach?

    (my budget is well spent so have no star San or the Mrs will go off on one :laugh8:) 20190110_213822.jpg 20190110_213731.jpg 20190110_213822.jpg 20190110_213731.jpg
     
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    Use their basic,cheapest stuff . Bung that down ya bog.
     
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    For some reason they didn't have any basic on the shelves. I'll check another branch tomorrow thanks
     
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    My understanding is that thick bleach can be used if it doesn't contain fragrance, but I've yet to find any that is fragrance free, even own brand / basics. So I'd hang out for the 30p a bottle value thin stuff like Clint says.
     
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    Absolutely with Clint. I had some of the bargain bleach that clearly had some end of run of the thick stuff or something and clearly wasn't thin and no-rinse my aerrrse. It ruined multiple batches of beer because I got polyphenols and everything tasted like a cheap vinyl gimp mask... I'm guessing.
     
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    Read the label ...says something like..parfume...limonsomething....
     
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    Get some oxi and starsan...
     
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    I got some of this to clean some stains on the inside of the keg. Did a good job, some residue left behind but I'll give it another rinse with hot water

    The fermentor and bottling buckets are new so just need to be sanitised. Star San or another no rinse product geterbrewed.com sells will be purchased next month
     

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    Hi @skulltat280
    1. The residue from the oxi product can be removed with vinegar.
    2. Don't give up on the bleach/vinegar sanitiser - I've used it for over a year now and had no problems whatsoever. Make sure that it's the cheapest bleach you can find.
    3. I would clean your new products, just to be sure. If you have cleaned properly, then you shouldn't need to sanitise. However, rinsing water is not sanitary, so we have to sanitise after cleaning.
     
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    Im just this minute out of another Tesco. I think they've removed the value thin bleach for whatever reason. Price label was there but shelf empty again so I purchased these which hopefully someone can give advice on how to use for a no rinse. When I get a chance I'll create a new thread
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    Hi @skulltat280
    I forgot to say: I use 3125ml water, add 25ml bleach, mix it up and then add 5ml distilled vinegar.
    3215 is an odd amount, I know, but it makes it easier to measure the bleach and vinegar. They are both at approximately 80 parts per million in the final solution.
    I was writing as you posted the photos. Many members use the Milton Sterlising Fluid but it needs 15 minutes application.
     
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    Cheers mate. I prefer the bleach option over the Milton but unfortunately that's all I could get for the meantime
     
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    Please remember to mix things in the right order; bleach, water THEN vinegar.

    Never mix bleach and vinegar together on their own. It would be bad.

    I have a 2 litre bottle of thin bleach from Morrison's, which I think was 28p or something ridiculous like that...
     
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    I live in Northern Ireland so maybe the thin bleach option is "not available in Northern Ireland" as usual :laugh8:
     
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    If you're strapped for cash just use boiling water from your kettle - it's all I ever use.
     
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    Can of worms about to be opened as there have been numerous “is Milton safe as a no-rinse sanitiser?” arguments around.

    Until I bought Starsan I used Milton tablets for sanitising, never rinsed and never had any issues I went slightly below the dosing instructions (where it was 1 tablet for 5L I’d use 3/4 of a tablet to 5L) and otherwise just went as per instructions.

    Dishwasher/Starsan combo is much easier though!
     
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    This comment made me think - I do always clean with Oxy/Sodium Percarbonate, then rinse, then sanitise with Starsan, but is rinsing water actually unsanitary, assuming clean tap/drinking water?

    I always assumed it was a belt-and-braces approach, to ensure any nasties not caught by the clean with Oxy or whatever would be killed off via the Sanitiser, and that no-rinse is a convenience thing.

    But last night I cleaned a corny for the first time, shook like mad with Starsan just before filling and created *loads* of foam, so I rinsed it out with cold tap water and filled it up.

    Was that wrong? I didn't give it any thought at the time, e.g you put 20 litres of tap water in a kit brew without boiling, so a quick rinse must be fine (if not generally necessary) right?

    Pretty new to all this so any comments from those with more experience much appreciated! acheers.
     
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    It's possible, from what I've read, bugs from tap water can harm your beer. Best using boiling or distilled water for rinsing from what I believe. If it's for a boiler then no need to worry
     
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    I have used thick perfumed bleach, but it takes a lot of hot rinsing to remove the taint.
     
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