coopers kits are always decent to start with, it's how I started 2 years ago, it wasn't the best beer in the world but it was drinkable and after all my hard work making it, it felt great drinking it!(maybe not the next morning after 7 or 8 bottles :lol: ) use the forum sponsor above for the homebrew company, get a kit, don't expect the lager to be lager cos it uses ale yeast, go for the draught or real ale or something, if you like stout go for the coopers brewmaster irish stout with 1KG dark spraymalt(now thats the best kit out there I've brewed along with the Milestone Raspberry Wheat Beer), if using spraymalt you don't need to use any additional sugar.if buying the real ale etc get yourself a kilo of light or extra light spraymalt instead of sugar, brew it shorter than instructed, these kits are meant to be 23 litres but try brew it to a max of 20 litres. if you can afford it get a sachet Safale US04 yeast and use that instead of the kit stuff, and get some yeast nutrient online, a teaspoon of that in with your yeast and mix it in will do you good. i brewed kits from July 10 to June 12 when I started AG so I'm trying to give you as much best info as possible after my 2 years of kit brewing!