The Post Office Horizon Scandal

shop deals on amazon
Shop deals on ebay
Advertise with us
The Homebrew Forum

Help Support The Homebrew Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
What i want to know is why are Fujitsu still being awarded government contracts, only last year they made 22 million quid profit.
Here is a snapshot Fujitsu has made almost £7bn from 200 IT contracts since 2012. Its four biggest repeat customers are the Ministry of Defence, the Home Office, ... This is beginning to stink to high heaven
 
Why wouldn't they?
It's just shear bad luck this was Fujitsu, but it could easily have been any of the other big IT companies.
Let's not forget, any - ANY - major IT system always has bugs and an error log. Always.

It's what the customer does that makes the difference. If your customer edits data and statements and uses that erroneously to prosecute people for theft and then makes them sign NDA to absolve the company of IT errors, then that's the customer at fault. Not the supplier.

Have a read of this article and tell me why Fujitsu should be singles out specifically
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...still-on-uk-governments-list-of-top-suppliers
Companies that have paid hundreds of millions in fines and penalties, have defrauded Whitehall or have faced corruption investigations are among those making the most money from UK government outsourcing, the Observer can reveal.

Observer analysis of data from UK regulators has found the Strategic Suppliers, the 40 private companies that play the biggest role in running outsourced government services, have received well over £500m in financial penalties from regulators since 2010.

Only six of the 40 had not been reprimanded by regulators, with many receiving tens of millions in fines without losing their place as a Strategic Supplier.
One of the biggest fines came in 2020 after the company was found to have defrauded the Ministry of Justice by charging for the electronic monitoring of thousands of offenders who were then found to have returned to prison or even died.
Serco has been handed more than £56m in fines since 2010, including for defrauding the government, but has since won billions of pounds in government contracts as one of its top five biggest outsourcing partners, including to run the government’s much-criticised track and trace programme during the pandemic and to manage asylum seeker accommodation
KPMG has had £65m in penalties since 2010 in relation to 36 cases almost all relating to accounting fraud or other financial offences. Infamously, tt was found to have forged documents and misled regulators over audits for companies including the now-collapsed Carillion, also once one of the Strategic Supplier
Click to expand...
 
Rodcx500z said:
What i want to know is why are Fujitsu still being awarded government contracts, only last year they made 22 million quid profit.
Here is a snapshot Fujitsu has made almost £7bn from 200 IT contracts since 2012. Its four biggest repeat customers are the Ministry of Defence, the Home Office, ... This is beginning to stink to high heaven
Click to expand...

i found out about a very bizarre quirk in UK procurement rules. Legally, public procurements are not allowed to take note of past performance when deciding on future bids. I dont know if this is an EU hangover that hasn't yet been fixed but it surely needs changing. As things stand, had Fujitsu not decided to step aside, it could continue to bid for government work and challenge the outcome if it lost a bid based on its performance on Horizon.

That said, I agree with the post above the Fujitsu are very unlikely to be a unique case.
 
This was a PO system - so they are ultimately responsible for it and the consequences, provided Fujitsu did not hide the bugs. Quite possibly PO management were told in a way such that they did not fully understand what they were being - but we're too blind/stubborn or proud to admit this.
Why did they not stop using Horizon? Probably because it would i) mean admitting they were in the wrong or didn't understand what was wrong & ii) had nothing to replace it with and couldn't shut down the PO network for years.
So instead chose to just "double down" and blame a few "little people" and hope the problem just went away.
 
Watched one of the recent documentaries, shocking behaviour from the execs at the post office, criminal from the point of view of perverting the course of justice as they basically knew the system was at fault and were sending innocent people to prison.

I can't help but wonder what support the accused received from the unions when a thousand of their members were suddenly accused and convicted of stealing, all at once and all in the same circumstances without any evidence.
 
All of these postmasters/mistrises had the best years of their lives taken away, just try and imagine how you would feel going from being in charge of the local post office the hub of a community and waking up to all the tongue wagging and your whole life in tatters, the people who did this deserve everything they get, lost pensions jail time let them know how it feels to lose everything they work for
 
I remember asking for one of these for Christmas glad i didn't get it now - :laugh8:






.


1713626555284.png
 
Last edited:
1716635567853.png



The Paula Vennells trail of self-pity.

I don't recall.

I didn't know.

Nobody told me.

I'm not sure.

I wasn't shared this.

I relied on the lawyers.
 
It doesn't look good for Paula Vennells

Mr Henry went on: "You exercised power with no thought of the consequences of your actions despite those consequences staring you in the face?"

"I suggest to you that you still continue to live in a cloud of denial and it persists even to today because you have given in 750-odd pages (of a witness statement) a craven, self-serving account haven’t you? ‘I didn’t know, nobody told me, I can’t remember, I was not shown this, I relied on the lawyers’."

Mr Henry continued: "Well, you are responsible for your own downfall, aren't you?"




 
Last edited:
Well,somebody will carry the can regardless. But as CEO she was responsible for everything and as usual they try to blame those on the bottom of the sh1theap as that's what they think is an acceptable way to conduct themselves and the blind loyalty they strive to portray to their company to continue their telephone numbers wage and bonus (for failure).
She should go to jail and made an example of just like she deemed the innocent workers.
Will she though or will her well heeled well connected cronies stop it from happening and she'll be forced to "apologise" and waltz into another executive position to do exactly the same.
Once rotten always rotten.
 
What I can not understand is we all can see through the cover ups and lies but will the police get involved as somebody if not several people need to go to jail over this not only have they ruined lives but there has been suicides linked to what has happened
 
Thing is like I said there's loads of people in positions of power that will lie indefinitely to "protect" the company they serve due to blind loyalty regardless of the consequences of their actions.
Until it all goes wrong then it's chucking under the bus time.
Who appointed her in the first place? Was she answerable to anyone barr herself? The utter avoidance in her answers shows she still really doesn't give a toss about what happened. She only cares that she's been caught and brought to task about it. She probably is convinced that she is far too important and above this tedium and really can't understand what all the fuss is about and really should get on because she has things to do.
 
So far her defence seems to be ignorance. I don't think there's anything they could charge her with. Wonder how gold plated her pension is from the post office?
 
I think the defence lawyers could get their act together hopefully and lets see some real payback and jail sentences to come
 
Talk about cry me a river fecking hell the lying bitch can't even do that right, how much evidence do they need, the only thing she is thinking about is her pension, the fact that she came in when all this was going on gets me she could have made a real name for her self but chose to just carry on as normal and i suspect there are bigger fish to fry as well
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Chippy_Tea
Metropolitan Police: Ex-officers charged over racist WhatsApp posts
Replies
0
Views
318
Chippy_Tea
Chippy_Tea
Chippy_Tea
Appeal Court clears Andrew Malkinson of rape after two decade journey to prove innocence
Replies
10
Views
572
Chippy_Tea
Chippy_Tea
Chippy_Tea
Nitrous oxide: Laughing gas sales to be banned, says Gove
2 3 4
Replies
67
Views
4K
MashBag
MashBag
Chippy_Tea
  • Poll
600,000 demand removal of Sir Tony Blair's knighthood
2 3
Replies
45
Views
4K
An Ankoù
An Ankoù
Chippy_Tea
  • Locked
The EU and UK have reached a post-Brexit trade deal
4 5 6
Replies
113
Views
8K
Chippy_Tea
Chippy_Tea

Latest posts

Back
Top