General election

[Chippy_Tea]

Lots of unanswered questions to be fair and balanced currency is still a major issue likewise benefits and things like dvla and HMRC are all stumbling blocks the land border should be manageable most of Europe seem to be ok with it.

Having worked in this area I can say a large number of voters in Scotland like the SNP left of centre values and social beliefs and despite project fear the country did not collapse under SNP.

BUT a large numbers do not want independence but see the current system as the best approach other parties refuse to discuss Brexit or how to fix it take morally dubious approaches to Gaza crisis .
Many are unsure of full independence and do not trust what they are told we were all promised the earth for Brexit that was shown to be lies can fully understand why it's hard to trust when making HUGE constitutional change.

Plus let's not forget the elephant in the room the scandal of the SNP finances and former FMs husband who we can't name for legal reasons. This has rocked faith in the party but there is no other real show in town no other big parties will champion independence so very divisive Starmer has made it very clear there will be no deals or alliance with any other party.

I have no idea how this one will turn out tbh

Thanks for taking the time to explain odnt.

 

[old dog new tricks]

You keep using the term people "need a brain transplant" when discussing what people believe parties will or can do, this lot have spent the last 14 years screwing the country up if you honestly believe labour can undo that damage in 4 years may i suggest its you that "need a brain transplant"

In the interest of fairness tho chippy how long did it take Liz Truss to destroy the economy and confidence in the government?

I do agree it will take more than one term to undo the damage inflicted so far.

Also factor in the pledges this government have made IE defence spending tax cuts and so on made I the knowledge they will not be in power to deal with classic set up to fail tactics and a big part of the problem party politics put ahead of long term policy and infrastructure

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I do agree it will take more than one term to undo the damage inflicted so far.

I forgot to post this yesterday did you know the Conservatives promise to abolish no-fault evictions before the election will not now happen Sunak knew he couldn't stop the boats so he has dropped the problem on Labour and now Labour have to either scrap no-fault evictions or make it law they are on a hiding to nothing whichever option they choose.

The Conservatives' promise to abolish no-fault evictions before the election will not now happen. The Renters (Reform) Bill, which would ban landlords from evicting tenants without a reason, will not become law before parliament is shut down on Friday.

 

[old dog new tricks]

I forgot to post this yesterday did you know the Conservatives promise to abolish no-fault evictions before the election will not now happen Sunak knew he couldn't stop the boats so he has dropped the problem on Labour and now Labour have to either scrap no-fault evictions or make it law they are on a hiding to nothing whichever option they choose.

Another example of them passing the buck I hope the electorate remember this at the polls it should be an honour to serve your country too long politicians of all sides have forgotten they are there to work for the public not themselves

 

[Rodcx500z]

You keep using the term people "need a brain transplant" when discussing what people believe parties will or can do, this lot have spent the last 14 years screwing the country up if you honestly believe labour can undo that damage in 4 years may i suggest its you that "need a brain transplant"

So from that you can say it's going to take more than 14 years to undo, what Labour left after 13 years in power or, had you forgotten about that now, who needs a brain transplant

 

[Brew_DD2]

So from that you can say it's going to take more than 14 years to undo, what Labour left after 13 years in power or, had you forgotten about that now, who needs a brain transplant

Our public services were in good shape 14 years ago. Not sure it's fair to place the global financial crisis squarely at Labour's door.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So from that you can say it's going to take more than 14 years to undo

If you are going to quote me do me a favour and answer what i said don't misquote me in your reply, where did I say its going to take 14 years to turn this mess around?

 

[Rodcx500z]

global financial crisis

Who mentioned global financial crisis, i didn't

 

[Rodcx500z]

If you are going to quote me do me a favour and answer what i said don't misquote me in your reply, where did I say its going to take 14 years to turn this mess around?

you didn't, i said if it has taken 14 years of tory rule to try and undo 13 years of labour rule, how long will it take Labour to undo this mess and, with a lot of fancy dan promises thrown in, and were did i say this, (if you honestly believe labour can undo that damage in 4 years) this is what i said,

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If Labour win, i can't wait to see what changes in the 4 years,

 

[Bitter_Dave]

Who mentioned global financial crisis, i didn't

I think the point being made is that to the financial problems inherited in 2010 were due to the global financial crisis, which affected every country in the world. Gordon Brown deserves some credit for preventing the whole world economy collapsing. Since 2010 Conservative austerity has held back recovery. This is the opinion of groups like the International Monetary Fund, hardly socialist bodies! Labour's record was hardly perfect, but we would be much better off if Labour had not lost in 2010. IMHO.

 

[Brew_DD2]

Who mentioned global financial crisis, i didn't

Fair enough. I must have misinterpreted what you meant by "what Labour left behind". It will definitely take Labour more than 4 years. We have some very complex social and financial issues to address. Short-termism won't get us anywhere.

 

[Rodcx500z]

They have a lot of work to do to stay longer than one term

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Below is the quote where you said "So from what you can say its going to take more than 14 years to undo" <snip which started this argument and i will again point out i never said.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Ok we will leave it there, but to me it's like a bloody merry go round

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Ok we will leave it there, but to me it's like a bloody merry go round

I couldn't agree more this two party system is not fair but until they change the system we are stuck with it, i will for the first time in a few years vote this time we cannot let the Tories have another 5 years in power.

Its been 14 years since we had a Labour government they keep telling us they have changed so i am going to give them the chance to prove it if they dont make that change they will be voted out and will struggle to ever get in again.

What does Labour and Keir Starmer stand for in this election?​

Keir Starmer’s Labour Party is the choice of change at this election.

Labour has set out five missions to change Britain: long-term plans we will pursue to make sure that this country works for working people again. They are:

• Get Britain building again
• Switch on Great British Energy
• Get the NHS back on its feet
• Take back our streets
• Break down the barriers to opportunity

Keir Starmer has also laid out Labour’s first steps for change to build towards the missions. They are:

1. Deliver economic stability with tough spending rules, so we can grow our economy and keep taxes, inflation and mortgages as low as possible.
2. Cut NHS waiting times with 40,000 more evening and weekend appointments each week, paid for by cracking down on tax avoidance and non-doms.
3. Launch a new Border Security Command with hundreds of new specialist investigators and counter-terror powers to smash criminal gangs and strengthen our borders.
4. Set up Great British Energy, a publicly-owned clean power company, to cut bills for good and boost energy security, paid for by a windfall tax on oil and gas giants.
5. Crack down on antisocial behaviour, with more neighbourhood police paid for by ending wasteful contracts, tough new penalties for offenders, and a new network of youth hubs.
6. Recruit 6,500 new teachers in key subjects to set children up for life, work and the future, paid for by ending tax breaks for private schools

 

[Stu]

I forgot to post this yesterday did you know the Conservatives promise to abolish no-fault evictions before the election will not now happen Sunak knew he couldn't stop the boats so he has dropped the problem on Labour and now Labour have to either scrap no-fault evictions or make it law they are on a hiding to nothing whichever option they choose.

I think Labour will absolutely support this.
The Tories had it watered down so many times, because most of the folk in the House of Lords own a second home. As do many Tory MPs.

They were paying lip service. I'd expect Labour to bring it in with added interest.

 

[moto748]

I think the point being made is that to the financial problems inherited in 2010 were due to the global financial crisis, which affected every country in the world. Gordon Brown deserves some credit for preventing the whole world economy collapsing. Since 2010 Conservative austerity has held back recovery. This is the opinion of groups like the International Monetary Fund, hardly socialist bodies! Labour's record was hardly perfect, but we would be much better off if Labour had not lost in 2010. IMHO.

This surely right. But on this election, I'll be voting on one issue, which probably isn't a priority for most most posters here. Unless and until Labour lose their attachment to the misogynist, and yes, homophobic, gender lunacy, which hopefully has been sunk under the water-line by the wonderfully detailed Cass Review, they will not get my support, all the more so because my MP is one of the most enthusiastic hand-maidens supporting it. No men in women's spaces (especially prisons!), and no men in women's sports either. And get the rainbows out of our schools. Politics is the art of the possible. With the constraints of the international situation, I don't believe Labour can do much to influence, say, the war in Gaza. But this is what fools of Labour activists are concerned about. Real measures to protect women and children are, on the other hand, entirely doable.

 

[jof]

I think Labour will absolutely support this.
The Tories had it watered down so many times, because most of the folk in the House of Lords own a second home. As do many Tory MPs.

They were paying lip service. I'd expect Labour to bring it in with added interest.

This is not as straight forward as you might think.
The concern I have is that landlords will switch their residential properties to being air-b&bs, thus reducing the housing stock.

Part of this is also related to the AST terms. You let for a fixed period, or you let the tenancy lapse to periodic (1 month).
Remove no fault eviction during a fixed term tenancy & allow longer multi year contracts for people who need the stability.

On the flip side, it's not unheard of for tenants to request a section 21 (although I'm not sure it always works in their favour) to force council to rehouse them in a different location or a larger house, e.g. couple in a 1 bed place starting a family & unable to afford a private 2 bed place.

Sorry, I'm drifting....

 

[foxy]

I couldn't agree more this two party system is not fair but until they change the system we are stuck with it, i will for the first time in a few years vote this time we cannot let the Tories have another 5 years in power.

Its been 14 years since we had a Labour government they keep telling us they have changed so i am going to give them the chance to prove it if they dont make that change they will be voted out and will struggle to ever get in again.

What does Labour and Keir Starmer stand for in this election?​

Keir Starmer’s Labour Party is the choice of change at this election.

Labour has set out five missions to change Britain: long-term plans we will pursue to make sure that this country works for working people again. They are:

• Get Britain building again
• Switch on Great British Energy
• Get the NHS back on its feet
• Take back our streets
• Break down the barriers to opportunity

Keir Starmer has also laid out Labour’s first steps for change to build towards the missions. They are:

1. Deliver economic stability with tough spending rules, so we can grow our economy and keep taxes, inflation and mortgages as low as possible.
2. Cut NHS waiting times with 40,000 more evening and weekend appointments each week, paid for by cracking down on tax avoidance and non-doms.
3. Launch a new Border Security Command with hundreds of new specialist investigators and counter-terror powers to smash criminal gangs and strengthen our borders.
4. Set up Great British Energy, a publicly-owned clean power company, to cut bills for good and boost energy security, paid for by a windfall tax on oil and gas giants.
5. Crack down on antisocial behaviour, with more neighbourhood police paid for by ending wasteful contracts, tough new penalties for offenders, and a new network of youth hubs.
6. Recruit 6,500 new teachers in key subjects to set children up for life, work and the future, paid for by ending tax breaks for private schools

And where is the money going to come from? with a debt exceeding GDP I would love to see a breakdown of where the money will come from and how it will be allocated.

 

[An Ankoù]

So from that you can say it's going to take more than 14 years to undo, what Labour left after 13 years in power or, had you forgotten about that now, who needs a brain transplant

Let's assume we have indeed forgotten. What are you talking about? Labour left public services in good condition then a global economic crash, not Brown's fault, but Brown did save the world. Then Cameron, austerity, Brexit (a tory project) poking pigs and that was the least of it. Tories have wielded the wrecking ball with glee and diverted as much public money as they can. Tory power is perfectly portrayed in the state of England's waters and seas. Scum and filth and their mates given a free hand to carry on. This is reflected in all aspects of tory governance.
So what exactly are you referring to?